Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 07:05 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
yes but they arent a replacment for stock, it's a complete aftermarket system
needs to be engineered, costs and doesnt ride as nice as rolling sleeve bags (stock)
$4600 for the kit supply only + fitting +$2100 for engineering
benefits are they are totally rebuildable use kyb struts that are able to be modified (i had it done, as the kit didnt go low enough for my liking) also you can go up down and where ever you like at the press of a button
Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 07:21 pm, by: Tom Lanyon(Toml)
Hi Andrew,
James at Tubular has said that he's got a bolt-in replacement (pretty much - the air lines need to be moved/replaced I believe). These are basically the same price as a set of new Toyota front struts.
He indicated that this would work with the stock system, so doesn't need any different pump/controller/tanks/etc.
Can anyone tell me the difference between double/triple convoluted bags and rolling sleeve bags?
He's provided a couple of pics and they look to be a similar setup to the OEM struts.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 08:23 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
that is the kit i have
it's over $4k and nothing from factory is used
you remove factory andfit new struts airlines tank and compresor
the convoluted air bags are tough but dont ride as well as the rolling sleeve bags, the rolling sleeve bags are a more rising rate than the convoluted bags, but then again all air springs are rising rate
Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 08:32 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
also forgot to mention, i wouldnt reccommend this for someone who wants to replace factory equipment for factory performance!
std they are much more like riding on coilovers, you would not know your riding on air, i had the rear struts remade, the changes the valving etc... and its considerably better now... but i'd go std toyota struts 100% unless your like me and like pressing buttons and going up and down
and also unlike factory gear it will need to be engineered, so kit 4600 install 1400 engineering 2100 = $8100 not cheap!
Tom Lanyon Tinkerer SA Supra MA71 + Celsior C-F V8
Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 09:04 pm, by: Tom Lanyon(Toml)
I'm really not sure whether we're talking about the same thing
Perhaps the struts are the same as yours, but these that I've been talking to Tubular S. S. about are direct fit for standard requiring no extra tank or compressor...
Replacing just the struts shouldn't require engineering, should it?
Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 09:12 pm, by: Andrew Duaso(Andrewd)
james is a talker
mate an after market strut will not work with the factory lines and valves
the struts pictured need 5bar pressure to maintain good ride height, you will not see that from the factory compressor and lines and valves
i have the struts they sell, i brought them from tss
same as you have pictured, they are a KYB strut (from a subaru infact!) the triple convoluted bag is a trellborg (european made, better than a dunlop) and the airlines are about 10 times the size of the stock items as you can see in the pictures...
to put it simply
if you were to install these struts, and could somehow, somehow adapt them to accept the factory airlines, and then somehow get the factory compressor to inflate them... the first g out you hit on the oad or speed bump you go over would blow the sh!t out of the factory airlines and valves leaving you stranded... looking at the gauges when driving they sometimes see 200+ psi bag psi going over bumps!
Tom Lanyon Tinkerer SA Supra MA71 + Celsior C-F V8
Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 08:03 am, by: Tom Lanyon(Toml)
Andrew,
Thanks for all the feedback. He's definitely said that the strut needs new bigger lines as you've indicated, but the bigger line bulkhead can accept the factory line.
In any case, it sounds like these will be more trouble than stock struts with no added benefit, so I think you've answered my question.
Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 08:13 am, by: Rich O'neil(Kiwiinaus)
Have a look at the new type of Arnotts front strut , they now come come with a brand new Bilstein shock under their billet top . Having had a set of their front struts with the rebuilt Toyota shock I would never use those type again as the dampening failed after 14 months. However the ones with the brand new Bilstein shock would be the go ? Same deal with the rears , go for genuine new units and don't even consider Arnotts rebuilt rear shocks .