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David Ormsby
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Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:32 pm, by:  David Ormsby (Phoenix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Aaron Mead wrote on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 08:22 pm:

What about the brake booster? Need a one way check valve, or does the fact that you dont really brake whilst boosting negate that ?




It should already have a one way valve in there to store vacuum? The boost will just push the valve closed.

Oh and you're now giving me ideas for my hack car. But I think Honda ecus need chipping for boost, that'd cost more than the rest of the setup.
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Friday, January 16, 2009 - 10:56 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Friday, January 16, 2009 - 11:50 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just realised, all the peak power and torque figures seem to be ocurring 500 rpm before they are due??
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:01 am, by:  Simon Martin (Commander) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:06 am, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A full 500 rpm earlier? I mean it feels heaps better across the midrange compared to the factory pooter, but can it seriously do that?


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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 08:26 am, by:  Simon Martin (Commander) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is a retune so I can't see why not...
I have a slightly off topic question tho. So all 1uzs drop off power @ 5500 rpm? Or is this a tunable fix, could I get mine pulling to say 6500 with an aftermarket ECU (Wolf)? Or is it just the nature of the 1uz in general to stop producing power after these revs?
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:32 am, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Myh first thought would have been 'camshaft selection', but after having a look through the dyno library on planetsoarer.com, I noticed there a few guys who, after having complete exhaust systems (inc headers) that there powerband had moved in to the 6000rpm + marks. Im trying to work out how many.

Peter Scott had cams, exhaust, bfi, and other goods done to his NA 1uz Soarer, his dyno sheet reading peak power at 100km/h (no revs on the shootout dyno) so youd have to work out how many RPM it takes in second gear to pull 100km/h (3rd gear doing 100km/h would be say 3000-3500 rpm IIRC, so I have to think that that run was pulled in second gear)

I found this dyno sheet on planet soarer from a guy also named Aaron. (must be a cool guy)


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As you can see, his peak power after exhaust changes is further up the rev range. DOnt know what other mods he did though.
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:36 am, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The OG soarer guys would be able to answer this off the top of their balding heads :-)
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:37 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lower peak power could be the result of a Blocked Cat?
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:41 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm looking forward to seeing the results, if it works as well as it should a similar setup will be making its way onto the GF's car.
It will also change the way a lot of people will be modifying V8 Soarers.
One thing that bothered me with this idea was having a glowing hot turbo sitting next to the petrol tank. Obviously not an issue with a Soarer.
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:50 am, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The peak power "quantity" is correct, its just that its occurring 500rpm earlier. Its not lower per se, if other dyno sheets are anything to go buy? I kight stick the factory ecu back in and chuck it on the rollers again, after I give a good 'learning' :-)

"Factory 1UZ ecu, you are sentenced to 3 hours of 're-education' to be performed at the will of governer Mead. "
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Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 09:04 pm, by:  Simon Martin (Commander) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol

Well I have stock headers, but oversized exhaust after that (big and burbly) and quite possibly hollow cats... that would be a guess but.

Also good point by Rob about Turbo next to fuel tank Never thought of that. Applies to me ;)
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Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 11:27 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Glowing Hot Turbo"

6 .p.s.i. aint gonna make a housing glow that far down the exhaust system.

Whilst I have managed to get a 64rwkw DATSUN N/A 2.4L four cylinder exhaust manifold to glow after a massive circuit session, I cant see the twins getting anywhere near that critical.

I mean if it were to glow, the entire factory exhaust would have to glow as well right?


Might be a different story on a 2bar setup.

Nothing a good ceranmic coat and beanine wont fix eh guys? Guys????
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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:09 am, by:  Andrew Smith (Bt1323) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

post up pics of the setup and step by step i'm interested in doing this
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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 08:31 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will do. Waiting on some freight.

*Step 1.
Get under car with a 12mm (IIRC) 3/8dr ratchet and short extension bar. undo the two fasteners on each pipe. Pipes will drop down to the ground at that point.

Move towards the rear bar, and unhook the two rubber exhaust hangers on each muffler.

I'll keep adding instructions and merging them.
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Monday, February 23, 2009 - 11:48 am, by:  David Barnes (Toyota_celsior) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I too have decided to do this, I'm going to be running a single turbo setup. I'm confident I should be able to have it all up and running for under $500 :-)

My biggest questions comes down to fuel/air ratio's.

How are you guys going to tackle keeping them under control. Can I just use a piggyback on the ecu to control this, or do I need some form of rising rate regulator?
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 09:25 am, by:  David Barnes (Toyota_celsior) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well this is all definitely going to happen, have already started to collect the materials I require, Scored a heap of plate steal and a bunch of old exhaust systems for free, I am a cnc plasma profile cutter programmer so I can use the cnc to whip me up some flanges and brackets that I may need. Im going to mount mine before the diff where the mid mufflers use to sit. Going to run a single turbo setup, Because turbos are so cheap for the 1st one im not going to run an oil pump and sump blah blah, im just going to use a really light viscosity synthetic oil and fit up the bearing core and block it off. I will soon find out how long its going to last. Ideally I want to find a cheap 2nd hand ball bearing turbo as I believe this will have more longevity. The thing that is making my go hmmm at the moment is how to run the pressure pipe from the turbo to the intake under the car. Anyone have any ideas for that already?
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 02:55 am, by:  Mike Dobkin (Razman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You would have to use alloy tubing with silicone elbows, running parallel to the exhaust system and into the engine bay - are you going to fit an intercooler?. The problem is that there is nowhere to hide it (like the zorst) so it might be a ground clearance nightmare.
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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 09:18 pm, by:  David Barnes (Toyota_celsior) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got my turbo :-) Running a RB25 series 2 highflowed turbo, got it for free aswell. I will have to weld up the internal waste gate and fit a larger external as its only a small turbo, too small for a 4litre engine really but for the boost levels i want, its great and due to the remote location spool will be much improved.

I will keep everyone posted
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Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 11:17 am, by:  Maclean Cherry (Maclean_cherry) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been looking at TT setups for my Celsior for a bit and was wondering how I was going to fit anything under the bonnet.

I'm going to have an opportunity to buy a couple of near new Garret 2860-7's soon. Are these going to be a pain to use if I rear mount them?

I understand they are probably too big to start off with but it would be nice to know that I could do a simple setup now at around 6psi but have turbos capable of going up to around 15psi.
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Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 11:47 pm, by:  Maclean Cherry (Maclean_cherry) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any progress on this David?
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Friday, January 29, 2010 - 10:40 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

turbo setups, ahoy!

Mate if you can fit 2 turbos, exhausts, intercooler piping etc without stripping the engine bay - for cheap - you're onto a winner.

Stock computer + SAFC = No good at all.
Stock computer + Emanage Blue = No good above 200kw. 250kw max if you have large injectors.
Stock computer + RR fuel reg = 5psi and about 170kw maybe with an m90 supercharger, but can't guarantee longevity.

Remote turbo setups - need to maintain standard AFM with standard computer dont forget.

Light weight low viscosity oil, blocked off?
No comment!

If you're moving away from natural aspiration and want 300rwkw - the best option is a Whipple supercharger or Single turbo kit. Both have been explored and proven to make 300rwkw in street trim. Will need at least 15-16psi of efficient boost.

I'll tell you from experience, there's a lot to change if you want it to last.

Stock unopened engine needs good tuning and low temperatures to last making 500hp boosted.
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Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 02:00 pm, by:  David Barnes (Toyota_celsior) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahoy Cihan,

Someone with a bit more knowledge then us celsior boys has finally tuned in.

Return piping (compressed) from the turbo back to the afm is going to be the hardest task.

LOL @ your no comment on the blocked off oil supply, don't worrie, i ended up deciding this isnt a smart idea haha, decided to use an electric oil pump from truck diff's oil cooling system for means of oil pressure and another little oil scavenger pump on the return. Truck wreakers are you friend :-)

Whipple would be nice, but has anyone started making intake manifolds for the 1uz yet. I remember seeing ol mate from rush imports doing something like that with his silvia, but I doubt you would get a whipple under the bonnet of a soarer/celsior with out need some kind of bonnet bulge/scoop. Not to menchen the price tag of such a project.

I just want my celsior to go has hard as my tt soarer (and its only rather stock, would have 180rwkw at the most)

This project is still going to go ahead, but the key to it all was budget, hence the remote setup in the 1st place, nothing will ever beat a proper of the manifold setup, but space restrictions and the costs involved in custom manifolds and the rest just isnt justified for what I want in my opinion.

300rwkw, is definetly past the point of what I would ever dream of from my celsior, Id be more then happy with 200-ish. Its not a thrash car, but it does make more noise then power and that is embarrising haha.

Any idea what kind of afr's are achieved with a rr fuel reg and 5psi with the stock ecu?

I really need a hoist, so I can get under the car for a better look at whats going to needed mounting wise.

Recently discovered an awesome thing, Rivnuts! Basicly a rivet with a thread tapped into it, awesome for mounting things under a car while keeping a factory appearence.

I will keep everyone posted with my progress, atm it is a standstill until my soarer is up and running again. But I hope to get back into it soon, Still full of motivation and thats what makes most of these projects fail is a lack of motivation.
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Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 05:43 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much are you looking to spend David?

I have been working on a 1UZ single turbo kit (as you've probably seen) that addresses 99% of the space / relocation issues and has recently proven itself to 340rwkw+ with an unopened motor.

Unless you like the challenge of figuring a way to make things work yourself (nothing wrong with that!) then a kit like the etuner s1 is the way to go.

The turbo you're planning to use is OK but i'd definitely use an external gate, OR, just run it off one bank and retain the internal gate ;).

I wouldn't put compressed air through the AFM, id have it draw through if you must do things *absolutely* cost effective. I would, to make life easier, use an Emanage Ultimate and delete the AFM. With a rising rate reg, and a good high pressure fuel pump there will be enough fuel there for 230kw with that turbo. I've tuned rb25's to 270kw odd with cheapish high flows (probably exhaust side restricted).

The problem with turbocharging the 1UZ is ignition timing and O2 sensor correction. The o2 sensors will need to be deleted to stop stoich mixtures <3500rpm. The additional fuel and limp home corrections need to be mitigated with a sophisticated piggyback via direct injector and ignition trimming.

Either way you look at it, the cost goes up steeply vs performance and longevity. 5psi on the cheap is going to be less reliable than 15psi with an emanage ultimate, for example.
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Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 08:18 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Cihan Aday wrote on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 05:43 pm:

5psi on the cheap is going to be less reliable than 15psi with an emanage ultimate, for example.




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