Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 10:56 pm, by: Tahlia Rae(Torana_tt)
was thinking of putting either a 1J OR 1GGTE in the soarer,, which is easier?? i thought that a GTE woud be basically a straight over swap, but apperently not...
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 07:43 am, by: Jason Kingsmill(Jason_k)
The 1G-GTE would be the easiest, I believe, as the mounts would be the same as the N/A 1G-GEU you have at the moment.
The gearbox bellhousing should be the same, so no mucking around there. I just don't know how strong the gearbox is....if it will handle the extra power easily.
The 1JZ-GTE would easily get my vote for power/longevity, but much harder/more expensive to convert.
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 04:20 pm, by: Justin Camilleri(Just)
tahlia, i would speak to gaven thiele about the 1g-gte conversion, he has put that engine in his about a month ago. im with jason on personal opinions, 1jz for me too... sorry gav haha
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 06:31 pm, by: Tahlia Rae(Torana_tt)
yeh well at the moment im opting for the cheaper version, as all my money is going to my other 1J, which is going into a Torana. which will be my power car, the soarer is really just a dive around car for now, but the 1GGUE is about to go bust, so was just looking at my options.
Nathan how much you want for the gte and the box??
Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 05:54 pm, by: Gavin Thiele(Ndgcpr)
I got quoted around $9K to 1UZ the soarer as there is meant to be a lot of custom stuff to be made, but if i was gonna do it i would want to do it in perth so i can bug andrew for everything .
I was keeping in secret and have had a post or two modified to not let the soarer central guys finding out, but its time i came clean, plus everyone will find out on the 8th at the next cruise, and then i was gonna tell everyone anyway.
But yeah, the 1G-GTE is quite cheap and easy, i pulled 103 RWKW's at a measly 6psi of boost. It goes pretty hard. I bought a wreck for under a grand which i feel is the best way to go cause it will have everything you need. The stock IC fits in fine and all i needed was 2 2inch pipes to fully plumb the IC and everything. I also stripped the wreck and sold parts everywhere to have a total cost for the motor at 100 bucks!
But the total conversion came out under $2K i think. Go the 1G-GTE!!! I have been in a 1JZ z10 soarer and i wasn't impressed. For twice the power output of mine it really didn't feel it. plus it spun wheels constantly so unless your going to drift it i wouldn't bother.
Friday, September 30, 2005 - 03:09 pm, by: Matt Meiers(Oldschool)
ouch man, well i am 70-80% of the way through the 1j conversion into a GZ20. i believe the best way to do the conversion is still buy a JZA70 halfcut and swap crossmembers, motors and gearboxes over. i have been told that that is the easiest way but mine did not work out to be as simple as all that i ended up with a normal crossmember instead of the jza70 which i was "sold" so that went out the window. what i have had done is the old mounts ground off and new mounts welded into the right position for the 1jz. the gearbox was not a problem postion wise just the bellhousing clutch pressure plate had to be changed and yes "away you go" BUT wiring seems to be an absolute pig. noone in my area has any idea of how to do it or even the best way to look at it, so that has been the most major dilemna but hopefully soon *crosses fingers* i will be able to drive the beast and then i will try and supply a break down of the costing of the conversion post up pics and maybe even some dyno figures and 1/4 mile times. and gav i sure hope it feels better then my 1G did because it hasn't been cheap. and congratulations on your ride man it turned out quite well! :D
Friday, September 30, 2005 - 04:02 pm, by: Chris Davey(Chris_davey)
Gavin: Are you crazy??!! Did you go in Johal’s car or another jzz10? I have been in Johal’s car for a quick thrash and I was mighty impressed. Went hard, didn’t have too much traction problems and generally felt nice. 1g wins for cost hands down though.
Matt: sorry I couldn’t catch up with you at Jambo. Was pretty hectic. Sounds like the conversion is getting close though :D
Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 01:21 am, by: Matt Meiers(Oldschool)
hey mate yeah i got plenty of photos of one of your runs.. found this action sequence shot setting on my camera... got your car doing pretty much the full 400m. and i can't wait to get my 1j :D this car was cool tho i must admit http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~doa/silky.JPG
Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 01:39 pm, by: Gavin Thiele(Ndgcpr)
Johal's car was powerful yes, but twice as powerful as mine, i didn't feel it (probably due to wheelspin), i just personally didn't see a use for so much power and wheels spin, just to drive around the streets, yes it would make an awsome drift car but anything else i personally feel it isn't worth the money.
Sorry but its just something about fishtailing past a car coming the other way on a suburban street doing 100kph+ in a 50 zone just didn't appeal to me....
Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 02:32 pm, by: Andrew Meiers(Acmtt)
SO Gavin you have a problem with the user and the method of use/abuse of the cars power. Fitting the car with decent rubber and a more linear power delivery to make it tractable and fast and in the right hands even a bit safer.
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:29 am, by: Matt Meiers(Oldschool)
comment made about the way he chooses to drive his car... fair enough. i just hope that i can get some decent 1/4 mile times out of my boat anchor instead of being stuck with constant wheelspin... i would HATE that lol. but i wouldn't mind being able to peel a few black strips here and there either time will tell i spose. and gavvy poos i will take you for a ride in mine and maybe even let you drive it when/if it is ever done!
Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 09:36 am, by: Gavin Thiele(Ndgcpr)
Fair enough but Tahlia started this thread wanting to know which would be easier to do ect. If she is gonna be putting the 1J in her torana i really can't see the point in putting one in her soarer as well. I am VERY happy with how mine turned out due to it being my only car and i have to drive it to work ect.
It is my personal opinion and no one has to listen to it but i really feel you can have to much power for a daily driver, and will run yourself into trouble. When mine was NA we had that hail storm (brisbane people should know what i am talking about), and it actually layered the road with ice. i have never seen snow or anything before and i was stuck taking off in 3rd due to lack of traction, if i had any sort of decent power behind me i would have been in trouble. So if your just after a cruiser my vote would be the 1G-GTE
Friday, October 07, 2005 - 02:07 am, by: Chris Davey(Chris_davey)
Matt: do you have the footage on the puter? If so, can you email it to me
Some people think that wheelspin is some sort of indication as to how fast/ how much power a car has. But you can spin the wheels in anything really but as both Andrew's said, it comes down to the driver and also suspension setup. The car felt pretty good cornering but it is definitely not setup for traction.
My car is making slightly more power than his and weighs less and I have never spun the wheels not on purpose. And I can barely do a skid because of lack of boost when I am trying. (that is another matter )
But if she is putting a 1j in a torana then where the hell are the pics? That will be 3 1j toranas I know of and 1 2j torana (that runs 9s!)
Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:23 pm, by: Gavin Thiele(Ndgcpr)
on to the 1G-GEU? I probably wouldn't. You would have to run low boost and mod some of the stuff. the 1G-GEU and 1G-GZE have slight but important differences AFAIK
Monday, May 29, 2006 - 09:50 pm, by: Ryan Pollard(Gztwenty)
I think I've decided to go with the 1G-GTE and mod that instead of spending the large $$ on a 1J. even though i would LOVE to have one. Im just not big on spending that sorta money. I just want fun boost! hehe. Thanks heaps! Will keep posting.
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 01:14 pm, by: Johal Gow(Johal)
Hey there. I just got linked to this from a friend Im Johal, the one they said had the JZZ10 Soarer. I think its a mistake to go the 1G-GTE, you 'can' build a 1jz'd one relatively cheap - it just depends what you do. As for how much power mine was making, that was the least possible power I could get out of my car, I had the boost controller completely open(so no extra boost screwed in and it was making 14 psi) and when Gav went in it, it had made 200rwkw on 11 psi(due to some freakily good AFR's(im going to assume there was a blockage somewhere))so I'm not sure what it was making on 14 psi, but somewhere in the region of 'more'. Last dyno the blockage or whatever in the fuel lines was gone and it was running TERRIBLE AFR's(like 1jz's do) and made 178rwkw? on 12 psi(I'm not sure why, but one day the turbo's just started making less boost). Then I blew a turbo so now its back to 14 psi(without any extra screwed in) but running terrible AFR's so i'll guess its back at around the region of 200rwkw.
Are you planning on going manual or auto? If you put a relatively stock 1jz in and don't mod it, it gives you plenty of fun boost without the ability to wheel spin without loading it up(since your car is a heap heavier than mine) and a lot more potential than a 1g-gte is ever going to give you. 1g-gte'd gz20's are quite disappointing to drive power wise because the small engine isn't torquey enough for the heavy barge of a car. You can basically buy a jza70 half cut and drop it straight into your car and that’s exactly what I would do.
As for my driving, I normally drive like a grandma, its only when people want to see what my car 'can do' that I drive a bit.... stupidly, even then I only do it around the streets that I know to be really wide and long so you get a good view that nothing is going to get in the way/go wrong - plus my car is 100% the easiest car to control that I’ve ever driven. The car itself has good – expensive-ish rubber and yes, its not set up for drag car like traction because its just my daily driver, so it handles reasonably well and isn't soft enough for great straight line traction - the compromises you make when deciding how to make a car.
Now also remember that you don't HAVE to wheel spin, turbo boost is controlled directly by your right foot and you can speed up fast without spinning the wheels at all(I was only doing it while those 2 were in the car) - just use less throttle in 1st and second, the extra power helps a lot in 3rd, 4th and 5th when you want to get moving without down shifting.
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 03:10 pm, by: Johal Gow(Johal)
I should also note that the wheels spinning wasnt a result of me loading it up and dropping the clutch or anything.. was just from stabbing the throttle in 1st and second that it would just spin them up(if you wanted them to, but you can drive around this very easily). As chris stated, its not set up for maximum traction
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:30 pm, by: Ryan Pollard(Gztwenty)
I have just recently put a deposit on a 1JZGTE 4spd auto. I wanted a 5spd manual but the auto package worked out real cheap, plus they had it in stock. $2000 for full package, 100,000 on the dial. I look forward to joining the boosters out there with an engine that has been rated as 'better than an RB'.
Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 07:42 pm, by: Tahlia Rae(Torana_tt)
wow people are still talking about this haha. ive still got the 1j. its out of a 96 soarer! i dont want a wheel spin car, thats what the torry is for, just a daily. i cant get rid of the 1j to anyone, or the soarer. does anyone know roughly how much it is for the conversion?
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i ended up with a normal crossmember instead of the jza70 which i was "sold" so that went out the window. what i have had done is the old mounts ground off and new mounts welded into the right position for the 1jz. the gearbox was not a problem postion wise just the bellhousing clutch pressure plate had to be changed and yes "away you go" BUT wiring seems to be an absolute pig. noone in my area has any idea of how to do it or even the best way to look at it, so that has been the most major dilemna but hopefully soon *crosses fingers* i will be able to drive the beast and then i will try and supply a break down of the costing of the conversion post up pics and maybe even some dyno figures and 1/4 mile times. and gav i sure hope it feels better then my 1G did because it hasn't been cheap. and congratulations on your ride man it turned out quite well! :D
lol. but i wouldn't mind being able to peel a few black strips here and there either 
