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Paul Kalie
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 02:41 pm, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:17 pm:




hmmm true, ok Ive got nothing lol
Ben Lipman
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:59 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Damian Ware wrote on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:23 pm:

Brace that goes from the boot floor/chassi directly up to the boot lid under the area where the wing wing mounts could be fairly quick and easy to do. Add a thin layer of firm rubber and have it just right so when you close the boot it is sitting hard on it.

Might not be the optimal solution but it will transfer the force directly to the chassi and be fairly easy to do.




I have considered this, but it still will not stop the wing from trying to rotate backwards/downwards. I think that would work if the wing were directly over the supports, but mine is swept back considerably. I have seen this done with the support brackets coming through the boot lid and attaching to the wing mounts with pins so it is solidly mounted.
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 07:03 pm, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

remember this one ben,
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some more updated pics of johns 300zx on unique
Andrew McKellar
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 08:32 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about this idea that was on the Celica Ben:

Slots cut in the tops of the rear guards, and wing mounts connected straight to the chassis rails via a bracket. There was plenty of room to remove the boot lid without removing the wing, the wing itself was adjustable, and the whole design was pretty simple.

These end plates/mounts were made from marine ply, but I'm sure a man with your skills could fabricate something out of ally (he he) or titanium (is "tit" short for titanium?) or something.


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Ben Lipman
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:01 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damn! You are spooky Andrew.

That is exactly what I dreamt up on the drive home yesterday, except I was going to go through the panel gap between the boot lid and the guards. Mainly to keep it neat, but also because There would be less work keeping it all water tight (I will be living in the Territory, remember)

That is the effect I am trying to achieve, Paul. I am not sure I have enough undamaged panel to fix it to, for that type of mount, though.
Andrew McKellar
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Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:10 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Spooky is my middle name Ben. The issue with doing this type of thing on the Soarer is that the chassis rails don't sit directly under the tops of the guards as they did on the Celica, so you'd have to make up some type of bracket that joins the two. I'm sure you can handle it.

I was looking at doing the wing the same way you are talking about, with the end plates through slots in the boot sill. We ended up deciding on a centre-mounted wing because, um... Come to think of it, I don't know why we went away from that idea and I don't actually remember what the engineers said. It would have been something technical like "it looks cooler".
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Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 08:23 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



I know what you mean. Centre mounts are cool. If I could think of an easy way to do it I would.

Perhaps a pair of pins coming through the boot lid from underneath that secure the wing mounts to the chassis. Have a set of quick release pins securing the mounts to these so you can get into the boot easily enough.

Let me draw something up today...
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Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:33 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul and I had a look at the rear end (of the car, you dirty bugger) yesterday. It would seem there are two ways to modify the wing:

1. Fabricate new endplates that bolt to the rear quarter panels like on the 300ZX

2. Move the centre mounts outwards about a foot so they are directly over the chassis rails and then fabricate something to join the two. The beauty of this is that directly over the chassis rail is clear boot lid (no skeleton) so making something up should be easy.

I promised the missus I would pack the car up after the weekend and concentrate on moving. The problem is when I get these ideas, they keep running through my mind refining themselves and sooner or later I just need to work.

I suppose I had better put a link to the vids I am making (trying to make) from Oran Park. It is covered in another thread, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGrjhMbZLss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOvt01Z1bWA
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Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 10:39 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:33 pm:

Fabricate new endplates that bolt to the rear quarter panels like on the 300ZX


If you then cop a hit and dent/bend the rear quarter panel, chances are you'll dislodge the end plate and break your wing.

Ben Lipman wrote on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:33 pm:

Move the centre mounts outwards about a foot so they are directly over the chassis rails and then fabricate something to join the two


Or what about this. Cut two slots in the back end of your boot lid, all the way down so that the bottom of each is open, as shown in yellow here:
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Those slots line up with your original, centre wing mounts. With the way the boot lid is constructed, the two slots won't cause you much hassle with the boot lid flexing, but if you are worried about it weld some box section around the three closed sides of each slot, or buy one of the fibreglass boot lids and avoid the hassle.

Run a bar between your chassis rails (shown in red). With your fuel tank still in its original location, you have the luxury of having that bar as far forward as you want. Then mount the wing mounts onto the bar (one only shown in blue), so that they protrude up and out to the rear of the boot:

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Mount the wing as far rearward as possible (the Sports Sedan reg's say a maximum off 125mm beyond the rearmost part of the car, but you're not playing to those rules). The further rearward the wing is, the better the airflow over it (less disturbance from the car itself). The further forward you can attach it to the chassis, the closer it is to the rear axle you want the downforce applied to.

With it mounted that way, if you keep the boot hinges you'll be able to open the boot without messing with the wing. Same goes for a fibreglass boot with pins or Dzus fasteners holding it on - it can come off without taking other parts off first. And your wing can still be mounted using its original, centre mounting points.

I hope those VERY crude pictures made sense...
Paul Kalie
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Friday, December 04, 2009 - 09:01 am, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess that would work as well. Need to have a good look at it- next year.
Scott Casey
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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 08:20 pm, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aero pics from Sydney 500 v8's.

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Andrew McKellar
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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 12:20 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah Scott, I was looking at the V8s on the weekend too. More specifically, I was looking at the centre mounts for the wing on the Commodores. Might be the way to do yours Ben, and keep your original boot lid and still be able to open it. It would appear the downforce is applied to the boot, which in turn applies it across the body. Another option...
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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 07:06 am, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew and Ben.

2 bars are welded from the front to the back of the boot lid. And some teams had a strap mounted in the boot if the wing or boot comes off.



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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 10:27 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was looking at the commodores as well. Funny- maybe we all need to get a life. I have also been watching One HD (DTM, GT1, GT2 etc) and checking out the aero parts on their cars.

Next year I am going to consider a flat bottom as well as look at the wing mounts. I might take the factory spoiler off as well, as I don't know what it is doing in conjunction with everything else. I know it has a lower CD than the spoilerless bootlid, but it isn't much.

I also need to finish the front end: all the ducting needs to be done, and I need to better manage the airflow. Out through the bonnet is the easy answer, but it is illegal in so many classes that it may cause me problems later on. I am considering a single front opening (like the V8s) with ducts off to the side mounted coolers, and venturis/NACA ducts to feed cool air to the brakes.
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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 12:02 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm thinking of something like this for the front bar opening. Warning: paint rendering to follow...


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and a picture of me 'bogging' the car on my driveway. Suspension set to almost full stiff, combined with all the stiffening of the chassis resulted in me getting the car stuck half on and half off the driveway. Car was sitting on 2.5 wheels and simply spun the unloaded wheel. I had to get out and push it backwards and get a run up...

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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 12:08 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like the wrong angle of attack on the driveway mate. Why didn't you just get the missus and kids to sit on the back corner to give you your traction back?
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Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 10:48 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heh, mates courier 4x4 looked a little like that on the weekend. Except it nearly fell right over. Took me and a mate to stand on the corner of the rear bumper to bring it down enough to get it un-stuck
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Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 07:49 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Andrew McKellar wrote on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 12:08 pm:

Why didn't you just get the missus and kids to sit on the back corner to give you your traction back




home alone...

Should see it now. Suspension is raised 2inches all round and the front splitter is raised another inch. Car has to go on a transporter at the end of the month, so I am trying to do all I can to minimise the damage.

Meaning I get to do the wheel alignment again when I get to the new place....Oh yeay, oh yeay, pick me, pick me.

Actually, when I went to the sports sedans at Oran Park last month I saw a lot of cars had little jigs made up that attached to the car itself to speed up the wheel alignment process. I may have to look into this, as the time consuming part is getting the string lines parallel and equidistant from the wheel centres. The actual adjustment is pretty easy.
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Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 10:46 pm, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Saw some of the jigs used for the gt's and mini's.

They made the jigs to fit over the bonnet pins and hang down to a bar that goes across just below the headlights (40 to 50cm off the ground). The string went down the sides to a bar which was attached at the rear at the same height as the front.
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Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 04:08 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know you have spent too much time on your track car when...

...you are waiting for your road car to get it's rego inspection done and the guy walks in and says "what's going on? I remember when you used too take good care of this car"

Ouch!

When I got home I looked at the car and realised what he meant. Outside needed a wash. Got it. I live in an open cut coal mining area so it almost always needs a wash. But lift the bonnet and it looked like it had spent the year at Chernobyl. The interior has a deep layer of what can only be described as body fat and dirt on all the flat surfaces, and there are brown stains in the carpet and something sticky on the rear seat.

So I spent a couple of hours this arvo cleaning the carpet, seats, glass, engine bay etc. Gave the outside a wash but you won't be able to tell tomorrow.

Trying to remove the sticky substance from the rear seat proved troublesome. It turned out to be melted adhesive from one of the child booster seats in the back. Ordinary cleaners were not working so I thought I'd try white spirits (dry cleaning fluid) as I had heard good things. The problem is, it is in the exact same bottle as my Septone wax and grease remover (usually used as paint prep etc).

Anyway, it turns out Septone wax and grease remover is an excellent cleaner for getting adhesive out of cloth interiors. Now the anxious wait to see if the colour does something drastic etc.
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Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 07:30 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 04:08 pm:

Now the anxious wait to see if the colour does something drastic etc.


And don't forget spontaneous combustion. Leave the windows open a few days, eh?
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 04:10 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Arrrrrrrgh!

Stuck on the side of the road due to flooding at Julia creek.

Thanks to Pen for sorting out my log on issues so I have something to do for the next few hours...
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 04:18 am, by:  Jamie Richards (Nwb40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that sucks
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 12:42 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know what you mean about the daily Ben, mine is being neglected too :-/

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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 12:43 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^ thats code for "awesome" :-)
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 07:10 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Got through Julia Creek yesterday. All we have left in front of us is water over the road for about a 1000km of the Stuart Highway!

I want to further develop the stock front bar this year, as well as find some more weight savings. (Andrew's bonnet!- although I'll have a look at Nathans CF one if he hasn't sold it by the time I get there)

I am hoping to get to Hidden Valley to set some base times first so I can then quantify any changes I make. This will be the first time I'll be close enough to a track to make significant changes and go back to the track and check it out. 11km is a helluva shorter tow than the 400-500km I'm used to.
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Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 11:31 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmmm. Long time no post.

The trailer finally arrived in Darwin yesterday, after 36 days. Thanks Ceva Logistics. SO I was able to pick up the track car and finally bring it home. The battery was flat (despite a huge sign with an arrow saying 'turn this switch off before getting out of vehicle'), and someone has broken the passenger door handle. Ceva also managed to unseat the leaf springs on the trailer (seriously how the ?) and bend the number plate bracket up under the rear. Spent the day fixing those odds and ends, as well as winding the ride height back down from Hilux to Sports car. Battery has been on slow charge for 24 hours, so hopefully it recovers fully.

I have joined the North Australian Motor Sports Club (NAMSC) and am going to their motorkhana next weekend to shake the car down before hitting the main track at the end of the month.
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Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 11:44 pm, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to see you finally got both the trailer and car home, expect to see some footage and pics of the motorkhana :-), Il give you a call in a couple of days after I've finished moving house :-(
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Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 04:10 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So over a drink last night I got to thinking what would the wheels look like with the centre caps painted black and a red pinstripe...
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(In this picture the splitter is still in the fully raised position)

So today I had to fix that up and do it properly. I also finished adjusting the ride height. I am going to try 10mm lower at the front and see what the extra rake and camber do for the feel of the vehicle. I am currently running 450mm (F) and 440mm (R) CWG.

Next on the list was to tint the clear perspex 'moon roof'. I looked at buying some window tint but at $50 plus a roll I just bought some VHT 'night shades' in a spray can and went to town on it. Whilst far from a perfect job, it should slow down the head roastage.

I then went over all the fluids and checked around for any leaks.

The last thing I looked at was a seat insert. I sit very low and back in the track car. This is not going to be any good for motorkhana as I can't see the witches hats. An old pillow sorted that out, but I will get some cloth and make something that looks a little better.
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Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 11:58 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wouldn't you make the pinstripe on the wheels purple to match the house mate? And to think I would have voted you 2nd most likely bloke on the forum to be straight. How wrong was I?

That sucks about the transport company ing things up though. They suck.
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Monday, February 08, 2010 - 08:48 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To think I actually missed this...


Next to the 'agressive, angry purple' feature wall is a nice wide double gate with a big gravel bed designed for boats and trailers, with a smaller one out the front. On the other side of said 'macho purple rage' wall is a huuuuge double garage with all the tools tough guy. I think the red sports car, track car, box trailer, car trailer, and two trouble seeking rugrats more than offsets any inference you can draw from the colour made famous by the purple teletubby for all the wrong reasons.

Even my labrador wets itself every time I walk towards it (what on earth did the inlaws do to her? Can I claim that on insurance?)


Ahh it's good to be back.
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 10:20 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fixed the Apexi RSM this arvo. Pulled someones settings off this forum and plugged them in. With the rear on stands it happily sat on 220kph without triggering the limiter. Just the thing considering Hidden Valley has the longest permanent straight in Australia.

Also bought Cam's Kazama engine mounts as mine are a little sad. They will go in when they arrive, hopefully before the test and tune day on the 28th.
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 10:52 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben,
Have you thought of removing the drivers side hi-beam and running some ducting directly into the airbox?
I would have thought It would have to be beneficial in terms of air temp and flow.
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 09:15 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have.

I decided against it for two reasons:
1. Some events require working headlights, brakelights and blinkers etc to be in 'street class'.
2. On the track there is a lot of debris (rubber, stones etc) that is picked up by the following car. All this material would find it's way direct to the filter, shortening its life.

As it stands at the moment there is a good flow to the filter and it is boxed off creating a high pressure area. You can see the filter from the front bar as I have pulled everything out of the front area I didn't need.

I am looking at the entire front bar area again now I am in Darwin. I am considering doing something like V8 supercars and having a single boxed in opening with ducts to coolers/airbox/brakes. There was a picture further up.

The hope here is I'll tidy up front aero, improve cooling efficiency, and create free front downforce with the huge flat area (splitter and undertray) for all that high pressure to act on.

I have also looked at punching a line of holes in the bumper cover (all that remains) with a hole saw.
Ben Lipman
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 08:25 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had my first ever motorkhana today. The Soarer was surprisingly OK at this. I was at the pointy end of the field first run. Second run I got lost. Hmmm this is harder than it looks.

Had fun, but handbraking on $400 semi slicks made me feel ill. I simply could not find a set of wheels to go over the supra rear brakes so I could run some 'thrash' tyres. (this is a technical motorkhana term apparently).

I also did my first ever 'drift mod'. I gaffa taped the handbrake button in and wound in the handbrake cable to take up the slack. I had a shower when I got home- I just felt dirty.

More importantly, towards the end of the day a couple of race cars turned up for some testing. I asked how I could get on the track and was told I'd need to sign on. So I did, and turned 15 or 20 laps of the full Hidden Valley circuit. Great fun. I had to map the track with the Racechrono, and put some sectors in. Once I did that racechrono told me I could do better- so I did. I ended up lapping 1:25.1. Which might be good. The commodore cup guy was pretty impressed. I might have to look up some times on NATSOFT. It is better than my time in the Rx-7 of 1:36odd (4 years ago!), and I thought that car was fast!



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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 09:21 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

11 seconds faster than your old RX-7 on your first day out - that has to feel very satisfying!.
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 10:12 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just had a look- I actually did a 1:34 in the Rx-7, but yeah I feel pretty good. I spent 40 grand on the Rx-7. I've spent about a third of that on this car (including the $3000 trailer)

The track time was unexpected. The car was not really setup for it. The rear was set full hard and the front full soft to try and get it to slide a bit at the motorkhana. I ran the temp gauge over the tyres, and it seems I need to take some camber out of it. The inside edge of the tyres were significantly hotter than the middle and outside (up to 15 degrees variation). Might take some out to look after the tyres on the loooong straight, and therefore gain a bit more caster in the process.
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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 09:57 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This week has been spent making modifications to meet scrutineering requirements for this weekend. I had to completely redo the battery isolation switch and make it a proper CAMS spec kill switch. That took some research and running around but it is all sorted now.

I also had to fit an external boot release as the scrutineer was not happy with the electrical one that came as original equipment. He reckoned in the event of an emergency some one might need to get into the boot to 'shut things down'. I tried to explain that there was absolutely nothing in the boot to turn off, but sometimes you just have to abide by a decision, no matter how silly.

So I knocked up a toggle from an old pushbike brake cable and some red cord. I drilled a hole to the left of the boot mechanism and secured on end through the metal skin, the other tied off to part of the boot release. Now you can pull it and open the boot. Meh, it might save me a few seconds making changes to the coilover settings.

I also made up a wheel alignment kit so I can set up string lines quickly. Basically a steel square tube sits across the front of the top radiator tank with arms running down each side. String lines feed through a hole on the arms and run along the car to a pole that rests on the diffuser. Only takes a couple of minutes to set up. I also further improved on my 'alignment plates'- squares of steel plate layer of grease and a square of ally plate. This allows the suspension to move around and the wheels to turn as needed. I learnt the hard way my garage is not flat. As soon as the car came off the jack it started sliding of the plates. I have never jacked a car up so fast! That would have made a mess.

I have taken pics but the card reader is on strike. I'll restart and see if that sorts it out.
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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:49 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only pics I could drag off it. showing my alignment bar at the front, and my skid plate on its stand (to allow me under the car to make adjustments...)
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Friday, February 26, 2010 - 10:32 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I put the new engine mounts in last night. The old ones were absolutely cactus. So cactus in fact that with the new Kazama engine mounts installed the engine now fouls on the strut brace.

Tonight I spent some time trying to find a work around for the problem. I ended up simply notching the strut brace around the turbo pipes. It is not pretty, and now I have a weak point in the brace. When time presents itself I'll come up with a better fix, or make a new brace. I wanted to try welding aluminium anyway...

Whilst doing all that I managed to crack the fan shroud so I patched that with some 0.5mm ally sheet. Also found (or created) a leak in a power steering hose so I had to fix that also.

Scrutineering for hidden Valley is tomorrow. It has been absolutely pissing down with rain the last few days- I might be doing a wet track day.
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 07:15 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SO my first 'Lapsprint' has been run and won. The local club up here doesn't run track days as such, but lapsprints to the CAMS letter of the law. That is: out lap, three flying laps and in lap. 5 in total and it is every one on the track at once. Myself and 4 or 5 other fast guys had real trouble finding space on the track where we weren't in a cue. With no overtaking except on the straight it was more like driving to work than a track day.

After the first session I managed a 2minute something time and got my tyres up to 30 degrees! Awe inspiring. It was raining off and on to add some interest as well.

We all got together and came up with the idea to do a 'formation lap' all bunched up in order quick to slow and then get a green flag to start. This worked much better and I found I was only with the other quicks. If only we could have had a dry track.

All things considered it was a good day. I have to get my head around that lapsprint format, which is a new challenge for me, but enjoyable just the same.

No pics,but I do have some incar video I'll sort through some time.
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 08:18 pm, by:  Natasha D'Abreo (Natashad) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The spoiler looks bad other than that its very nice
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Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 06:50 am, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its functional, pretty cost money
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Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 06:45 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah. I'll choose function over form every time.

Pretty does have it's place though. I may need to look for someone to tip some money in towards getting a ROPS cage put in. A fast, pretty car might help that. At the ned of the day no one wants their name on the side of a clunker.

I was asked a couple of times on the weekend if I had plans to turn it into a sports sedan. There are one or two guys up here with late model Jap imports and they can't find a category to race in due to CAMS being firmly locked into the 1980s unless it is a commodore or falcon. If they open up a sports sedan category they can ditch the restrictive IPRA regulations that exclude jap imports, and anything made in the last 20 years with a 'sporty' shape. (Rx-7, skyline, supra etc). It is a big spend in a short period for me though and I don't think I can make that step up financially.
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Monday, March 08, 2010 - 12:06 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like the way your alignment bar is held in place by your coffee mug. Good form.

The only problem with your front spoiler is how high it is from the ground. You can buy one like mine when you order the bonnet and boot lid if you like

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