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Ben Lipman
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Thursday, February 07, 2013 - 10:12 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HAHAHA. so you have a spare cage lying around? I'll cut the roof off and just drop it in.

Actually be easier to use the current car as a sports sedan, and do a time attack style cage in the spare shell. I'd do most the same, but extend the cage to include the suspension towers front and rear. Then cut everything else away and start with a clean sheet. Run the exhaust through the cabin on the passenger side next to the trans tunnel and box it using sheet metal (essentially widen the tunnel) and out the boot.

Or something like that.

You haven't run your hand through a timing chain or something again have you?
Andrew McKellar
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V8 Soarer Sports Sedan

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Friday, February 08, 2013 - 11:11 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Thursday, February 07, 2013 - 10:12 pm:

You haven't run your hand through a timing chain or something again have you?


Not quite, all limbs intact. A minor spinal injury that sees me with nothing to do but stare at the ceiling and dream up plans for the car (and write offensive posts on your blog, obviously).


Ben Lipman wrote on Thursday, February 07, 2013 - 10:12 pm:

extend the cage to include the suspension towers front and rear. Then cut everything else away and start with a clean sheet


That's kinda what I've got in mind for mine, although I'm thinking of maybe keeping the chassis rails on the front for two reasons - impact resistance (and by that I mean it makes mine stronger than the fibreglassed, spaceframed car that I hit) and engine mounts & suspension pick up points are already there and set. Like I said though, still contemplating it all. Plans are drawn in pencil on my ceiling if you need to take a look.


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Thinking about updating the colour scheme too. Just really like this for some reason:

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Ben Lipman
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Friday, February 08, 2013 - 03:05 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since when do spinal injuries get called minor? Hope you are going to be al right.

I have often wondered why I don't change my paint. I am tempted to get a bunch of 3K3 Mica red (same as my road car) so I have have a matching pair. No one takes photos of black cars.

Painting is another of those lots of labour type jobs I can manage myself. I have been waiting for a 12 cubic foot or better compressor to pop up on gumtree on the cheap. My little one runs out of puff when you paint anything larger than a helmet.
Ben Lipman
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Friday, February 08, 2013 - 04:50 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Something like this, LOL


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MY microsoft painting skills are awesome!
Andrew McKellar
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NSW
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Friday, February 08, 2013 - 05:18 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love how you've even added the flowers in the background. Such detail.


Ben Lipman wrote on Friday, February 08, 2013 - 03:05 pm:

Since when do spinal injuries get called minor


When the neurosurgeon said, "Urgent MRI" today I assumed the M stood for minor.
Andrew McKellar
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Saturday, February 09, 2013 - 09:57 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Ben Lipman
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Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 03:00 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So I cant remember if I posted this or not: My Ikeya Formula Roll Centre Adjuster Lower Control Arms (IF RCA LCA...?) have made it through customs and are sitting in a steadily growing pile of boxes in the shed.

After seeking advice on here and from my tuner, I would seem I am going to buy six shiny new Bosch ID1000 injectors, and a fuel rail kit. Turns out my tuner can do the lot for about the same price as the online shops. I am also buying the Haltech dash from him as well, as he sells at the Haltech online price. Who says bricks and mortar shopping is dead. The good thing is if something goes bad, I have a real person to deal with.

Keen followers would realise these items were NOT part of the short-mid term plan described a page back. Unless I trip over a leprechaun on Saint Pats day, the roll of CF might get the chop to pay for the fuel system, tuning and IF RCA LCAs.

Fibreglass is cool too right?
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Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 10:28 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds like you might need one of these...

http://paceperformance.com/i-10801493-13577429-fuel-composition-flex-fuel-sensor-e85.html
Andrew McKellar
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Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 10:43 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or we could both sell the Soarers and buy these:

http://www.intracecars.com/index.cfm?page=21
Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 03:09 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Allan Langford wrote on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 10:28 am:

sounds like you might need one of these...



mmmmmhmmmmmm.

mmmmmmayyyyyyyybe.

Tuner is a fan of E85. I have plenty of time, so I will think about it.


I reckon we might be a bit short of the $400,000, Andrew.
Robert Bruinsma
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Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 08:51 am, by:  Robert Bruinsma (Robaphent) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WOW,

Awesome build and dedication.

As for the front i would just read the rules of what events you want to enter and see what others are doing if you build the front end right there is no reason it would not be as strong or if not stronger then a stock front end.
Andrew McKellar
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Wednesday, March 13, 2013 - 07:17 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 03:09 am:

I reckon we might be a bit short of the $400,000, Andrew.



Always so negative!!

Or is it because my one is ready to race and yours still needs building? Sell off the 3rd car and the semi-trailer to make some cash back! That way we're ONLY spending about $90k each
Ben Lipman
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Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 04:04 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Negative!?!

If I said we were way short, I'd just be being honest. If I said we probably couldn't sell our cars for half what they cost us, then I would be negative, LOL.

I think you misread the add. My car is race ready and yours has all the bits ready to put together. In fact you are right- you need the one that is ready to go. If you had to put it together yourself, you'd break an arm or leg or something.

Thanks Robert. I had a look at your cisco kids link but my crappy internet connection tried my patience. What parts are you developing? What have you got that I could use, LOL?

Andrew- back to you. Got your email. Gonna respond here.(See comments about crappy internet connection.) I haven't driven the car in anger since fitting the rear end bushes etc, but I have driven up and down the street *cough* (for the coppers reading that bit was a lie). Could not tell much from that. I really must get this thing screwed together and back onto a track before people start to talk. At this rate Paul will have his Mazda running before me.



But then it will break down.
Dave van Staveren
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Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 09:02 am, by:  Dave van Staveren (Deveous) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Ben, I have a 3cyl, big tanked compressor on wheels I could lend ya to get that paint done. Cant sell it to ya for sentimental reasons, my dad gave it to me for $50... 5 minutes before he died...
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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 03:39 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Umm, thanks Dave, I think.

I have been talking to Simon at MORPOWA a bit these last few weeks. I am now pretty sure I am going to run the car on e85. At the very least, the fuel system components will all be set up to survive e85. This meants more expensive hoses etc. The rest of the gear I have purchased in the last few months is suitable, and can support 400rwkw allegedly.

The changes to vehicle restrictions in wtac have me nervously watching other events. I am reconsidering my desire to do a carbon roof. Might have to cut up the spare shell and weld the non sunroof panel into the track car after all
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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 07:09 pm, by:  Dave van Staveren (Deveous) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dont mention it mate Whats the deal on e85??? Supposedly better octane, cooling properties and lower emissions??? I have read that higher boost can be run on it but ive found mixed results about it with no definite answer. Can it just be put straight into the fuel tank with out changing anything and is it only available at some Caltex servos??? My v8 will be on the dyno for ecu tuning in the next few weeks and was thinking would be a good time to chance from 98 pulp to e85... Sorry for hijacking...
Ben Lipman
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Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 10:32 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

E85 has more power potential, but you need around 30% more fuel, meaning bigger pumps, injectors etc. You also need to make sure your hoses and fittings will handle e85, a lot of rubber will not.

Like any fuel, you need to tune for it, so it is not just a case of filling up and making power.

There is a lot more to it, but I a on a tablet and cbf typing any more. Lol
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Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 03:21 pm, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you in the shed yet ? :-)
Ben Lipman
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:17 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL, yes. I couldn't resist.

Found out the wheels do not fit over the front brakes. I need about 7mm more clearance. I have decided to buy 15mm thick aluminium hubcentric spacers with the additional studs press fitted to them. This will both allow plenty of room to clear the calipers, and also widen the track. The rear track with the new rims looks to be half an inch wider per side, so this will get them closer to even. Need to look at the stock spec sheets and see what the original track width is, as all my wheels on all cars are staggered fitment, so I cant measure it.

Before Paul shouts it to the world, I might need to look at wider guards. The rims sit just past flush with the top of the guards. I might be able to get away with having the guards rolled, otherwise it looks like more custom body work for me. Someone on here offered me the use of a guard roller once. I might have to go back through and have a look.
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:33 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dug this up:

Wheelbase
The horizontal distance between the centers of the front and rear wheels. The distance between the front and rear axle:

2691.00 mm 105.9449 in 8.8287 ft

Front track
The distance between the centers of the wheels on the front axle.

1521.00 mm 59.8819 in 4.9902 ft

Rear track
The distance between the centers of the wheels on the rear axle.

1521.00 mm 59.8819 in 4.9902 ft
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:35 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And I too will probably be moving to wider guards and one-piece front & rear ends by the end of this year (well, sooner than that actually). Maybe you'll want to buy the fibreglass wide body kit off my car...
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:35 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And where's the photos?
Ben Lipman
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:42 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, so using 15x6.5 +50 as the standard rim all round I came up with the following:

Rear 17x10 +40 will extend 54mm wider than stock.
Front 17x9 +38 will extend 44mm wider than stock, and 59mm wider with the 15mm spacers.

The factory track widths are 1591mm front and 1581mm rear. My books all state a wider front track is desirable for handling. I believe track is measured from the centre of each tyre, not the outside edge, however with the spacers I should be bringing the track widths closer to the 10mm wider at the front as in the original specs. Not that much of my car is to original specs...
Ben Lipman
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 04:44 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew, we will have to talk. How much wider were the rear guards? I have photos on the camera, not on the computer. Will get off fat arse and plug camera into computer...
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Friday, March 29, 2013 - 05:12 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm, in my handbook (the dodgy one you get from importers when you buy your Soarer) it has track width at 1520mm front and rear. I got the other values from on here, but on second reading they are the maximum allowed in SA.

My handbook also says the factory wheels were 16x7, meaning everything I wrote above was unfounded rubbish. Oh well, it is the internet after all.

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