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Allan Langford
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Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 08:04 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/geegaw#English

in short a trinket or accessory (in this case aero bits) and crank up the boost ;)
Ben Lipman
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Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 09:32 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So Tire rack came through with the Toyo R888s in less than a week. Cost me $820 for a pair of 275/40/17 and a pair of 255/40/17, plus $420 in shipping. Much cheaper than buying here. Shipping was expensive, but if you are in a hurry for something not on the local shelf, then they are probably faster than interstate options as well.

When I get the chance I will get them fitted to the Desmonds and then see how much if any body work needs to be done. The rear guards will be carbon regardless, as I need to get rid of the banged up rear quarter. It has been on there since I bought the car and it is time for it to go.
Paul Kalie
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Friday, May 31, 2013 - 07:38 pm, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cleared space in the Calender yet ? Looking forward to some progress :-)
Ben Lipman
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Friday, May 31, 2013 - 10:35 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Paul Kalie wrote on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 07:38 pm:

Cleared space in the Calender yet ? Looking forward to some progress




What? For you to come down and labour for me in August? Yep, have organised to have that week off. (I had planned to just leave you a list of tasks to have completed whist I am at work, but I am not sure I can trust your work ethic...)

Otherwise, I have been getting all the ducks lined up for July (month off work).

I have most of what I need for the fuel system- I am tempted to just drop the lot at Morpowa and have them fit it up. I don't know if I can be bothered learning how to assemble braided hose etc. They will do the retune on E85 any rate.

I am waiting for my Play With Carbon order to be fulfilled. Apparently they don't often get such large orders. Seeing as I wont be using the carbon until the body work is designed and moulds taken, I told them to save shipping and send the lot as one package.

The wheels and tyres are in the shed- I do need to get off my fat arse and have them fitted. I am shopping around for 'tyre totes' to put them in when I am not at the track so as to preserve them a bit. (officially I am not removing the tyres from the packaging so as to keep them in tip top condition, but the reality is I just haven't got out to the shed.)

Morpowa also have my IQ3 dash on order. Seeing as I will soon hold a small fortune in carbon fibre materials, I figured I may as well follow your lead and make a custom dash as well. That might be one of your tasks in August.

The aim is to have some sort of car on the track at the 3 August practice day, to bench mark the car and then have it fully sorted for the 14 Oct Classic Celica Club SA (of which I am now a member) event. There should be another test day in Sept to further develop the car. I assume there will be a lot of 'driver development' during this time as well, as it has been far too long out of the seat.
Phil Gibson
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WA
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Monday, June 03, 2013 - 10:49 am, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice work getting 888s from Tirerack, i didnt think they stocked them and ended up getting them from DemonTweeks in the UK

incidentally im running 245s/275s too, though might reconsider this given the power/torque to break a gearbox :-(
Ben Lipman
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Monday, June 03, 2013 - 06:39 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHat do they cost shipped through Demon Tweeks? I saw them on ebay and the prices looked OK, but didn't se my size.

RANDOM QUESTION: How big a job to pull the stock injectors, and fuel rail and fit up new injectors and custom fuel rail? Trying to figure out how much work I can do myself before dropping the car at Morpowa.
Ali Saeed
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RSP JZZ30

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Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 12:49 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its not that difficult to pull the injectors off. just time consuming. Some fuel rail bolts are hard to get to as well. I would say 7/10 difficulty
Ben Lipman
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Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 01:09 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers Ali- just for reference- where does pulling the turbos off sit on that scale? If it is in the same ball park, then I should knock it over in a single day?

I also need to rip out the old fuel tank etc and put the new fuel system together. I thought I had it all figured out until I saw the Battle Version Soarer set up, and decided I liked that better. A lot more fab work than if I simply drop a frame into the existing boot, but maybe smarter in the long run. (and I could still throw stuff in the boot)

Battle version setup:


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Andrew McKellar
DieHard
NSW
V8 Soarer Sports Sedan

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Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 01:06 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Upside: Lower centre of gravity.
Downside: Will interfere with optimum rear diffuser setup.

Everything's a compromise...
Paul Kalie
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Thursday, June 06, 2013 - 07:35 am, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Andrew said, I had the same issue with mine trying to maintain 11-12 deg diffuser angle and retain low COG.
At least with the Soarer you dont have to worry about how you will seal the cabin and fuel cell.


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Ben Lipman
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Friday, June 07, 2013 - 02:10 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

See, I already have a functioning diffuser, but from memory the angle was 7 degrees (shallower than 12 to allow for my 'dirty' underbody)/ I can there fore place the fuel cell pretty accurately without upsetting the diffuser. The easy option is to simply drop a frame into the boot as it stands now.

The other option takes me back to gutting the entire boot including chassis rails and replacing with a tube frame.

Pros and cons...putting fuel cell up in the stock location reduces polar moment of inertia (good for changing direction quickly) but higher centre of gravity (albeit less weight than the stock tank and 30L of unusable fuel). The stock lines are right there too. It also allows room to run the exhaust out through the centre if I want to, or I can use the boot space when travelling to and from the track.

Putting fuel cell down in the floor will lower centre of gravity, but place the weight further back increasing polar moment. I cant use the boot space (unless a lot of shielding is put in to avoid damaging lines etc). Any centre exhaust will run right by the tank, probably causing vapour lock in a line or pump.

I think I just talked myself out of it. Dammit, I really want to weld something up.
Andrew McKellar
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Friday, June 07, 2013 - 06:43 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Come to my place. I'll supply the welder and the grog, and I have plenty of welding for you to do. You can experiment with my space frame to help design yours
Ben Lipman
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Friday, June 07, 2013 - 02:11 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seriously, I would love to. Just the drive over makes it more than a Saturday arvo kinda thing. Pity I wasn't getting serious when I lived 200km away. I don't even have relatives in Sydney I can pretend to visit...
Andrew McKellar
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Friday, June 07, 2013 - 02:51 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Start by welding up a sound-proof booth to put the Mrs in, then she won't hear you leave
Michael McKellar
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Mini

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Friday, June 07, 2013 - 06:09 pm, by:  Michael McKellar (Mickmini) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Andrew McKellar wrote on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 06:43 am:

I'll supply the welder




oi, that's my welder you are offering! Fair enough since i left it in your garage
Andrew McKellar
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Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 02:57 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Indeed you did. Possession is 9/10ths and all that. Don't worry, I can't give it away - it is too heavy for me to carry after all.
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 03:45 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brotherly love.
Ben Lipman
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 04:34 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Arrrrrrgh!

SO, my wonderfully light, made in Russia, Desmond Regamaster rims are destined to send me mad. I have purchased and fitted spacers so the fronts clear the big brakes. THis has widened the track which is a good thing. The wheels are unlikely to fit inside the standard guards, which is not such a good thing (unless you are Paul who has been looking for a reason to goad me into going widebody for about two years). This will require some body work as previously discussed.

Well, today I decided to fit the tyres to the rims to work out exactly how much they don't fit by, and then decide how much work is required to make the body fit over them. On dropping the tyres and rims off at the local (and very friendly) Cluse Bros Tyre joint they asked me if I had the valves. I don't. I figured they would reach into a drawer full of them and pull some out. They didn't. Apparently my rims have 8mm valve holes, to accept steel clamp in valves. They have several thousand rubber pop in valves in the shop, but no metal valves. Why? Because no one uses metal valves. They do a quick ring around for me (as I said they are friendly) and sure enough, no one uses metal valves.

The guys suggest it might be a 'jap' thing and gave me some stores in the Adelaide area that might help. Option B was to drill out the rims to suit rubber pop in valves, but the guys were spilt over how smart this was. Older guys were against it- "metal valves are better if you plan on going quick" but are a "pain in the arse because you have to keep tightening them".

I get home and decide to ask me old mate Google for advice. Sure enough Google hooks me up with Mr Tire Rack who states metal valves are a must on any track vehicle. "Rubber is fine for Mr and Mrs check the tyres every 5000km service, but don't be putting them on your race car," he said.

So tomorrow I shall be hunting around tyre and parts shops etc for metal 8mm valves. I'll bet they are expensive.
Andrew McKellar
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 06:55 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BUT....

Before you do that read the CAMS Manual or the regs of just about any motor sport event that you may want to compete in.

You will find they call for rubber valve stems and metal ones are illegal. Don't want you in a fight with scrutineers, do we?

The reasoning is if you "rub wheels" with another competitor, it is better to rip the valve stem off and the tyre deflate at a reasonably steady rate, rather than your metal valve stem tear a great hole in the next bloke's tyre and cause it to deflate quickly right when it may be under the most load.
Ben Lipman
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 09:16 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

G'day Andrew,

I just read through the 2013 Manual of Motor Sport and I could not see anything regarding valve stems in there. The closest reference was to valve caps being required in schedule E (wheels and tyres). I will search the CAMS website for a bulletin, and have a quick look at any supplementary regs I can find.

Might just be a sports sedan thing?


*edit* I cant find any reference to it on the CAMS website, not in the bulletins, nor the regulations for various categories.
Aaron Casey
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 09:24 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would only be a problem if the valve stem protrudes from outside of wheel?? If sufficient dish shouldnt really matter??
Ben Lipman
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 09:39 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew has been racing for many years. It may have been a rule in the olden days
Andrew McKellar
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 10:10 pm, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or I may have imagined it?

In any event, rubber ones have worked fine for me.

For many years.
Ben Lipman
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 10:16 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL

I'll see how hard it is to find metal ones. The road car has metal valves (maybe it is a Jap thing). The green Supra rims have rubber, and as you say, they worked fine.

Just be a bit of a shame to start hacking into the Desmonds. They are the most exotic wheel I ever owned. (well I did own some Work Equips that came on the Rx-7, but I hated them and sold 'em for about $100. I wish I'd taken the time to find out what they were...)
Paul Kalie
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Monday, June 24, 2013 - 10:36 am, by:  Paul Kalie (Ajzs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought a set of metal valve caps last year after hearing of the rule .6. VALVE CAPS
Each tyre valve shall be fitted with a cap which effectively prevents leakage in use. But I had never had this enforced on me at any other CAMS track days . I cant see anything a bout Valve stems either.

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