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Ben Lipman
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SA
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car, plus a spare shell

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 05:41 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

exciting is one word...

might get time to flip it over and take the oil pan off to have a look next weekend, but I think it is time to look at other options.
Clayton Carlyle
TryHard
NSW
v8 soarer twin turbo

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 08:41 pm, by:  Clayton Carlyle (Clayton) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Ben, bad choice of word.
I should probably put this idea in better txt;
Late model 3l 2jz-ge non turbo block + your 1j head & turbos with MLS head gasket could possible be a very cheap fix. You may be able to run the standard high comp pistons in it with E85 & sell the vvti head as well. It's going for 1k.
You are probably getting sick of people like me imposing ideas but I can't help myself as your chassis is so extreme & I think we all want to see what it's capable of with the power to pull it.
Clayton Carlyle
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v8 soarer twin turbo

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 08:49 pm, by:  Clayton Carlyle (Clayton) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like myself tho, I know budget lays the cards down & I didn't just move half way across the country!
Allan Langford
Goo Roo
Vic
UZZ31

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 09:01 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd say dead ringland
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
UZZ31 / ML320 CDI

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 09:08 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

small end,
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
SA
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car, plus a spare shell

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 10:10 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL, I should start a betting ring with a $500 buy in to fund the next powerplant.

I am leaning towards a built 1J. I know it is a bit boring, but a fresh 1J should be up to the demands.

I'd be a bit worried a 1.5J built on a GE bottom end. Track motors see hard use for extended periods of time. Heat management is important, and I think those oil squirters would come in handy.
Spencer Cameron
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 10:36 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I went the same way for the same reasons. Also, I couldnt see myself needing a huge amount more torque than a built 1j could offer. That said, its apparently not that hard to install the oil squirters into the ge block. but you can judge that better when you have a look to see how they fit into the 1j block.
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 11:48 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben 1J's dont have oil squirters do they? Why are you worried about the 2jz-ge bottom end not having them?
Matthew Salkeld
TryHard
South Australia
1JZ powered 180sx

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 07:08 am, by:  Matthew Salkeld (Munkymatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1j gte has squirters, pretty sure the non-turbo 2j's dont have them
Kurt Atzmuller
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Victoria
TT`s

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 08:02 am, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm going 1.5j myself now and have been told by a few people that it'll be fine without the squirter's.
well worth looking into while the motors out and the 2jzge are fairly cheap as well.
Allan Langford
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 10:24 am, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Turbo stock 1UZ... I have a little side track car project going that way... cheap motors.. easy 300+rwkw...
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 08:53 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As far as I know the 1J and 2J both have oil squirters in the block for cooling(and the parts reference has oil nozzle as a part in the block for both engines). If Toyota decided they were needed for a production street engine, I am going to err on the side of caution for an engine that is going to see sustained abuse on a circuit.

I know that people have built 1.5ge +t/tt and they are probably running just fine. How many of those have run them at full noise for 15 minutes? I can't think of one. Actually I cant think of a drifter running a 1.5j either.

Truth of the matter is I don't have a lot of cash, but desperately want to get back on the track in a short time frame. Rebuilding myself is the only way to get top quality for reasonable price, but I don't want to wait that long. Buying another second hand motor is fraught with danger. It might last years, or it might go bang first time out.

I am keeping one eye on ebay/gumtree/forums for anything promising that comes up.
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 08:57 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I should also add I am not at all sick of people making suggestions. That is after all the strong point of a forum, is it not? And it is all there for people to read down the track - all the good stuff and the stuff ups.
Matthew Salkeld
TryHard
South Australia
1JZ powered 180sx

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 09:20 pm, by:  Matthew Salkeld (Munkymatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wait this is the internet, i thought we were supposed to have verbal knife fights until there is only one opinion left standing? :-O

:-)
Clayton Carlyle
TryHard
NSW
v8 soarer twin turbo

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 09:21 pm, by:  Clayton Carlyle (Clayton) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben I am terrified mine will blow on the dyno with all the work & money I have pumped into it.
I sort of wish I just had a cheap stock engine that I wouldn't worry about sooo much. Mines also taken me over 2 years to build so your point is strongly heard as we all don't have million dollar teams behind us nor are we professional engine builders.
Ben Lipman
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 09:47 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a rebuilt 1J that was advertised on facebook, but it is just out of reach both financially and physically. (it is in Qld). I would love to grab it, but can't find the cash he wants, plus stump up for shipping. The upside is I should be able to run it with the tune I have now.

There is a brand new 2JZGTE block that was for sale for the exact same money. Now a 1.5JZ built on a brand new bottom end, that would be pretty reliable. But then the whole thing would need to be tuned again, and the stock high flows might not be up to the task, and more expense follows.
Spencer Cameron
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 11:08 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I forgot about the stock twins. Using the 2j bottom you'll probably wind up losing top end. theres nothing cheap about a rebuild, unless you halfass it. best bet is to look for a late model 1j that the seller will let you pull apart a little to inspect it. a really low mileage second hand motor is still going to half the price of a rebuild, unless you have friends in the industry or something.
Ali Saeed
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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 11:55 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rebuild it yourself the right way? I mean youve done carbon fibre work, how hard could it be :-)
Andrew McKellar
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V8 Soarer Sports Sedan

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 06:33 am, by:  Andrew McKellar (Toymax) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Lipman wrote on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 09:47 pm:

There is a rebuilt 1J that was advertised on facebook, but it is just out of reach both financially and physically. (it is in Qld). I would love to grab it, but can't find the cash he wants, plus stump up for shipping. The upside is I should be able to run it with the tune I have now.


I can pick it up for you, so that will save on shipping.
Matthew Salkeld
TryHard
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1JZ powered 180sx

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 07:14 am, by:  Matthew Salkeld (Munkymatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you can do rebuild cheaply yourself..

1) strip parts and disassemble the engine yourself
2) buy all new bearings etc, pistons if you want to bore it out
3) get the engine builder to do the machining and reassemble bottom end/head
4) seal it yourself (it's easy) and reinstall!

Way cheaper than a drop off job and parts from the US are crazy cheap... you can get a set of decent pistons for about $400
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 08:39 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know I can do it myself Matt. I just don't have the time I had in the last job. If I work a 12hour day I consider that I got off lightly. I don't want all my home time to be car time. The boys deserve better. I am working Saturday, but if I get time on the weekend, I will flip the motor and pull the sump/crank/pistons out. The block will need an expert eye to make the call on if it is rebuildable.

I am going to look for this rebuilt 1J facebook add again and see how much lower he is willing to go. It scares me to spend so much money on something I can't see, and there is no business behind it with a warranty etc.

I also need to speak to Neil Griffiths again as he has a 1J that he might let go cheap. That way I can chuck it in and get going again, and then rebuild at my leisure. Last time I spoke to him, he had not checked to see if the engine runs as it was in a crashed wreck.
Matthew Salkeld
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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 08:43 pm, by:  Matthew Salkeld (Munkymatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah that sounds pretty tight on time... well.. Good luck with it all. I want to see some results from the track... I'm tempted by a soarer track car eventually too - I want to see the potential :-)
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 12:50 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, so I think we have established I am not an expert mechanic/engine builder, but even I know that this should not be in my sump...


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I am about to head back out and keep pulling it down. Does anyone want to take a guess what I am looking at? It is very thin metal. I have no idea what it is at this stage.
Spencer Cameron
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30

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Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 01:32 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Big end bearing.
Clayton Carlyle
TryHard
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v8 soarer twin turbo

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Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 01:59 pm, by:  Clayton Carlyle (Clayton) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do I win the bet?
That sure looks like a big end but maybe a small end????

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