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David Grab
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 10:37 am, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys am gonna be looking at a HID kit for my Soarer. Just wondering what info i need to get the right kit so it fits. The bulbs need to be H3 right? Also i was reading another thread in the for sale section and they guy was saying something along some part number 90***. Is there anything i need to know to get the right ones so they fit without modification or very little at that?

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Dean Goodwin
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 11:59 am, by:  Dean Goodwin (Deanno606) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My advice, speak to Damian Ware. I got a set from him at a very reasonable price and they light up the night sky like you would not believe.
Lynton Scale
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 12:31 pm, by:  Lynton Scale (Lscale) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ditto to Dean (above) - much better than you'd ever believe - one could even say brilliant!
David Grab
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 12:57 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well im thinking of going through a manufacturer ive found and before getting a group buy i was thinking i'd get a unit for myself and see how it goes for the benefit of other members. What does Dean charge and how do i get in touch with him?
Dean Goodwin
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 01:42 pm, by:  Dean Goodwin (Deanno606) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damian Ware,
frozenpod@hotmail.com.
Bobby Green
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 01:57 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got a 50W 6000K set for $170 shipped. Don't know how that compares to other guys. It certainly is bright though, much brighter than my mates 35W kit.
Jim Burrough
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 06:06 pm, by:  Jim Burrough (Jfb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The old adage "...you get what you pay for..." seems to apply also to HIDs. Two sets from a well-intentioned very economical group buy three years ago have recently given up the ghost.
Sets from Damian are a quantum step up, in light quality and electronics, albeit up to 2x more expensive, ...and are worth it.
Why compromise for less than a couple of tanks of fuel?
Scott Casey
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 11:03 am, by:  Scott Casey (V8soarer_1991) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just install some in my car yesterday
from ebay $130 delivered. the store name is mars warehouse. Installed in less than 1hr.

get 35W hb3's 4300k kit

everyone's flashing their headlights to tell me to turn them down and my headlights are looking at the ground and need adjusting up!!!!
David Grab
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 12:40 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh well people will have to get use to my 6000K or 8000K haha

So what wattages are available, you obviously have 35W and ive seen someone else on here with 50 or 55W. Whats the general consensus on wattage with HID's?
Leo Zarate
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 03:37 pm, by:  Leo Zarate (Leo_zarate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shouldn't need more then 35W as HID produce more then 3 times the light of a standard halogen with less power.

You should already know the kelvin (6000k, 8000k etc) has nothing to do with brightness or lumens, just the colour temp. Higher K you go the more glare and less light you will actually get.

I've read a few people doing a 'reto fit' by fitting projecter lights from BMW's and lexus cars.

Have a read of this should help:

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html
James Johnson
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 10:44 pm, by:  James Johnson (Jamesy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i had a set from ebay and they recently died just past there 1 year warrentee :-(

but i just picked up a TRD HID kit yay!! jelious? i have looked over the net and it costs $1500 brand new! ill install them tomorrow night!
Brian Timms
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:10 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Scott Casey wrote on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 11:03 am:

everyone's flashing their headlights to tell me to turn them down and my headlights are looking at the ground and need adjusting up!!!!




This is the problem with incorrect projector types.

Something people dont understand is Normal style 'dull' globes are matched to the normal style 'dull' projectors, which are designed to throw 4% of light upwards to illuminate street signs, and provide the light that people oncoming see.

Now, when you wack a set of HID globes into these projectots, you also through up the 150% brighter light up, making it seem like this 4% is 12% or more light.

No matter how low you adjust the headlights, your still throwing 4% light straight up, so it makes no difference.

Park something like a Honda Accord Euro, and a Soarer next to each other, both fitted with HID headlights (Honda stock, Soarer retro-fitted) and you will see the difference in setups.

The Honda will show a very nice straight light cut-off point, but the Soarer will show a bump and light being pushed up at the left (designed to illuminate the side of the road for animals and pedestrians).

Swapping HID into stock projectors simply because they are projector lenses will not make a perfect setup. It will give YOU better light, but will blind oncoming people, no matter what you do.

B.
James Johnson
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Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 09:05 pm, by:  James Johnson (Jamesy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i think it depends on how its setup i have never had anyone high beam be with my hid lights.

and the HID lights in the accord euro are pretty crap they glare really bad compared to bmw and merc hid lights
Brian Timms
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Friday, June 20, 2008 - 08:04 am, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The setup is the actual projector.
As mentioned, ADR for your standard halogen style headlights requires at least 4% upward projection of light, to illuminate street signs, buildings and other possible objects you might want to see when driving.

HID projectors dont have this upward 4% light, they have a definitive cut-off of light to stop the glare.

The HID kit in my Soarer was very nice, had the destinctive cut-off line, although I didn't actually have to change the projectors, I was quite impressed with the quality and result.

I have seen cars around whre the owner has retro-fitted the projectors from Lexus RX 330 4x4, and the difference is incredible.

Either way, some cars will push more than 4% light into the upward section from the projector, these cars are the ones that blind people when fitted with HID kits.

Then there is people that have gone and imported headlights from USA, and installed them. This causes problems because the headlights are designed to illuminate higher towards the passenger side, therefore getting US lights means the passenger side on these headlights is actually the oncoming cars, so you will blind them without fail.

B.
David Grab
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 02:22 am, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just another question if i go bixenon aka hi/lo does that mean ill have two sets of hi beams? Ie have hi beams on the HIDs and also the stock hi beams?
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 08:45 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brian Timms wrote on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 08:04 am:

I have seen cars around whre the owner has retro-fitted the projectors from Lexus RX 330 4x4, and the difference is incredible.



Thank you :-)

I've gone through two plug and play HID kits and while you can see a difference in light colour it didn't really do squat for the actual light throw.

With the RX330 projectors the light beam is as intended from Toyota with factory HID lights. Mind you to get the absolute crisp cut off I need to either deline my headlights or install those clear lenses (haven't decided what to do yet) but all that regardless, the output is quite amazing.

If you are still determined with getting a plug and play kit I suggest going for the MTEC kits as they are quite good (I had mine in for about two years before switching the projectors, bulbs and ballasts for all OEM Toyota parts).
Aaron Holland
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 01:50 pm, by:  Aaron Holland (Aholland) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has anyone bought those dirt cheap ebay HIDs? How bad are they? And what specifically is bad about them?
Piers McDonald
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Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 03:22 pm, by:  Piers McDonald (Drp) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a "dirt cheap" ebay kit that I bought for around $90 6 months ago, from a dealer in Australia.

I did a bit of research first and it became obvious that there are a large number of "brands" all selling the same units from the same factory, at a price ranging from $30 - $200.

I had a couple of problems with my order which made me pleased I bought from someone in Aus. One of the globes had spade connectors instead of a 9005, and the 5000k globes were much warmer/yellower than expected. The dealer replaced the globes after around 10 days.

The construction is much better than I expected, with very nice insulated wiring harnesses and the installation was too easy.

After 6 months of use I can see that I got what I paid for. The lights initially were very difficult to adjust as there is not a very distinctive cutoff line in the beam and as such I think I've adjusted them too low. They are brighter than my old G4s but nothing like a factory HID setup. There is a fair amount of upward light 'wash' but I haven't ever been flashed by anyone.
Although anything reflective, street signs, etc, light up from a great distance away.

I feel the real flaw with the ebay kits is the globes, but the ballasts seem fine. When mine inevitably die, I'm going to try some more respectable globes with the ebay ballasts and see if it improves things.
Kanchana Pathirana
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 11:54 am, by:  Kanchana Pathirana (Kan83) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i bought a cheap one aswell just to give it go. i totally agree with you piers. i havent been flashed yet but am scared i was driving behind a cop thinking any moment now he is going to pull me over

by the way, i showed this off to my friend and he end up buying one off ebay that night. he has a non projector headlight, so what happens if he puts it in that
Jason Munro
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 12:21 pm, by:  Jason Munro (Jason_munro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He is likely to start blinding oncoming traffic.

as stated many times before, if the reflector is not designed for HID style lighting, it will not give the crisp cut off that's required.

he is more likely to attract unwanted attention from the boys in blue too.

just my 0.02c....

Jason.
David Grab
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 01:02 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can someone give me an answer to this question please. Just another question if i go bixenon aka hi/lo does that mean ill have two sets of hi beams? Ie have hi beams on the HIDs and also the stock hi beams?

My car gets plenty of attention from the popo without the HID so it will make little different, just another thing ill have to change back when going through defect.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 01:17 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plug and play HID's have a so-called hi-lo function, however they are only meant for cars with double filament bulbs (e.g. H4).

Proper bi-xenon refers to the actual projectors with a dual beam set up, with a solenoid attached to tell the projector which beam is to be used.
Matthew Crawford
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 04:31 pm, by:  Matthew Crawford (Doink) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have just bought a set of dirt cheap HID's fromeBay for $80 delivered to my door, they turned up in 4 days and work perfectly, excellent quality ballasts and wiring loom, plug directly into the stock bulb connectors.

The cut off line is razor sharp and they installed with no fuss whatsoever.

The fact that they're so cheap means if they fail - I throw them away and install a new set for less than teice the price of a new set of bulbs.
Jason Munro
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Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 05:13 pm, by:  Jason Munro (Jason_munro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew,

can you please post some pictures, and a link to the exact item and seller that you used ?

seems the soarer projector lends itself well to HID conversion, where most non factory HID reflectors do not.

Jason.
David Grab
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Monday, August 11, 2008 - 07:25 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jose that still doesnt really answer my question. Anyone else able to answer it?
Brian Timms
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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 09:53 am, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,

Jose kind of did answer the question, bit I guess your asking if you will have 2 high beams instead of the stock middle lights.

No, you will not get a 2nd high beam unless you midify the wiring of the headlights to provide high beam to the high-beam side of the HID's, in which case you will need to add relays and other aftermarket wiring, because if you simply splice, the Halogen High beams will draw to much power for the HID high beams to initially fireup, and you will run into problems like only 1 of the 2 HID globes working, taking several goes to get both on, etc.

Just get the correct globes and setup, they will work terrific, wont attact unwanted attention, and will do a joy and a pleasure to drive at night.

B.
David Grab
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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 03:11 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So if i wanted HID hi beams i would need a second set of ballast (a whole new kit) is that correct? So really there is no point going bixenon in our cars then.
Jason Munro
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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 07:26 pm, by:  Jason Munro (Jason_munro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,
yes that is correct. on the soarer, you need two complete sets of HID kits, in order to run hi and low beam as HID.

i personally, wouldn't bother running HID high beam, due to the slow warm up time, and the constant high / low beam switching would probably shorten the life span of the high beam units.

i am planning to run a good quality HID in the main beam, and run something like the Phillips Diamond Vision in the high beam.

just my 0.02c.

Jason.
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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 08:59 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah im currently running Philips Diamond Vision on the hi beams. Just just curous, was never going to run HIDs on the hi beams because as you said by the time they warm up you dont need them anymore.
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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 05:32 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HID plug and play kits that are bi-xenon (hi/lo, whatever you want to call it) are usually only available as an H4 application, NOT for HB3/4 (9005/6) which is required for Soarers.
David Grab
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Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:29 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah the place im in talks with are able to get bixenon (hi/lo) for 9005.
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Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 09:21 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Grab wrote on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:29 pm:

Yeah the place im in talks with are able to get bixenon (hi/lo) for 9005.




That would be interesting....

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