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Kyle Bennett
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 04:42 pm, by:  Kyle Bennett (Sheriff) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey guys, just wondering if there is a difference in the jzz30 and the uzz30 drivers side lower control arm and balljoint?

cheers
Matt Petersen
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 05:44 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I researched this a while ago and it appears that the lower arm with balljoint assembly is identical across all Supra's and Soarers and SC's.

There was a change to aluminium lower arms but the mount points and balljoint are still identical.

The bushes for a supra appears to be a different design and are slightly stiffer but everything still interchanges.

I have Supra LCA's in my UZZ30.

Matt.
Kyle Bennett
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 06:02 pm, by:  Kyle Bennett (Sheriff) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

all supras? like the old school and new school shape?
Matt Petersen
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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 07:16 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, JZA80 Supra's, TT and NA's.

Matt.
Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 06:25 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Including the UZZ32?
Matt Petersen
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 06:31 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Certainly the 30's and 31's are the same, I am not 100% sure on the 32's but with their completely different setup it's possible the mounts are different for the shocks or swaybars.

Matt.
Peter Nitschke
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South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 07:46 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

UZZ30 is the same as TT.

UZZ31 has allowance for the height controller rods.

UZZ32 is quite different, bigger, extra bush for the active strut, no sway bar mounts etc.
Don Bagnall
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 03:41 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SUPRA LOWER CONTROL ARMS

They will NOT fit a UZZ31, as there is no cast lug for attaching the height control rods to.
Nor does it fit a 32, as they don't have the extra mounting lug required.
They DO fit ALL 30 series Soarers with coil suspension.

The Supra bushes are also a firmer design, giving you a more "Locked down" feel to the suspension.

The Supra LCA's are heaps cheaper to buy from Toyota.

Part numbers for the JZ80are as follows:

48068-14080 (RH.Lower control arm 5/93 - 5/96)
48069-14080 (LH.Lower control arm 5/93 - 5/96)

48068-14090 (RH.Lower control arm 5/96 - )
48069-14090 (LH.Lower control arm 5/96 - )

Note: The later ones are purported to be cast alluminum, and are a LOT dearer than the early cast iron ones, however, they are also a direct fit. }
Matt Petersen
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 04:19 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just to clarify, the arms do physically fit the 31's however if you still have the factory suspension then they are missing the height control rod mount point.

I ordered my Supra LCA's from the States and got them landed here in NZ within 5 days for a total cost including shipping of $800NZ.

The local Toyota dealer quoted $690 per Supra LCA and $1250 per Soarer/Lexus arm.

If you have to replace UZZ31 arms then these are an option.

Matt.
Fabian Bordon
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TT

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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:26 am, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would the lower control arms of a UZZ31 fit that of a JZZ30 (TT), is the only difference between the two the cast iron lug for the height control rods?

Also I am gathering that the upper control arms would be the same between the two types as well?

Am in need of changing both upper and lower control arms and trying to find the most affordable approach to doing so...
Don Bagnall
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 04:48 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Fabian Bordon wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:26 am:

is the only difference between the two the cast iron lug for the height control rods?



Yes.

Fabian Bordon wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:26 am:

Also I am gathering that the upper control arms would be the same between the two types as well?



Yes.
Fabian Bordon
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:29 pm, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Don...

Had a temporary pair of LCAs installed yesterday at Pedders to get me by until I get the new ones, and after the change over I noticed that they did not replace the following rubber spacers...


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They returned my old LCAs, but with only one of these spacers attached, the other one not returned.

Are these spacers important, and should I chase them up to see if they still have it?

Does anyone have a part number from which you can get these from Toyota?

Thanks in advance...
Don Bagnall
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:33 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Fabian Bordon wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:29 pm:

Are these spacers important, and should I chase them up to see if they still have it?



HELL Yes!


Fabian Bordon wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:29 pm:

Does anyone have a part number from which you can get these from Toyota?



Yes.........ME!........48657- 24020
Fabian Bordon
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:18 pm, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the very quick response Don, appreciated...will take the car back to them tomorrow to have them replace the rubber spacers...

I'm gathering they help to extend the life span of the bush, in terms of preventing it from travelling to far back and forth along the axis?
Evan Kaio
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:20 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Wot Don sez. Important. Bought 2 late last year, $40 ea.
Buy 2 new ones, you'll need them to go with the new LCA bushes.
Fabian Bordon
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:37 pm, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Evan, I am planning to buy new ones for when I get the new LCAs from the states, thus why I was querying the part number :-)

But in the meantime am going to get them to do their job properly for the money I paid and refit the old ones, if they still have the one that I am missing...

Thanks for the replies guys...:-)
Don Bagnall
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:42 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Fabian Bordon wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:18 pm:

I'm gathering they help to extend the life span of the bush, in terms of preventing it from travelling to far back and forth along the axis?



Correct.
Stuart Smith
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 05:19 pm, by:  Stuart Smith (Leader428) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got a set of these stoppers from Andrew Vlamos at VFT bushes, you could try him!
Fabian Bordon
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 08:06 pm, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Got the car back with the spacers put in, but I am betting my left nut (I may be wrong), that they have put them in back the front. Isn't the edge that is kinda wavy meant to be facing the bush, and the flat side facing the cross member?

Would the spacer being back the front, be anything to worry about, as mentioned above I am getting new LCAs from the states and will be doing a changeover MYSELF within the next few months...but in the meantime should I worry?

Also the steering was not centred inside the car, and there are three large grease marks on the carmats inside the driver footwell...NOT happy :-(

Thanks Stuart for the advice about Andrew, the stuffed up thing about it as well, was that I had Vlamos bushes in my old LCAs and now they are lost as they can't be pressed out without damaging them...only got approx 40,000km out of them too :-(
Fabian Bordon
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 08:10 pm, by:  Fabian Bordon (Aether) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a photo of the spacer installed...


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Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 06:04 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Fabian Bordon wrote on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 08:06 pm:

Also the steering was not centred inside the car




You'll need a wheel alignment - Take it to a good tyre shop, don't let these arse clowns do it.

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