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Rowan Mutu
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 12:43 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So I'm going to offer a price for some suspension gear I'm after. The package includes used front and rear king springs, pedders sports ryders and genuine toyota upper strut mounts. All the gear is in good condition.

What would you consider a genuine offer for such a package? Any help would be really appreciated, cheers guys.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 10:31 am, by:  James Cahir (James987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$250-$300?
Rowan Mutu
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 10:56 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmm, I just offered the guy $300 but he reckons he's looking for $400 flat. I've got no idea what suspension is worth but I don't want to miss out on an opportunity for decent suspension at a decent price because my car is currently sitting on the ground and un-drivable until I find some struts. Bah, why do replacement airbag struts have to cost so much
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 11:18 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's a pic of what I'm looking at:


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And here's a pic of a suspension setup that sold on Soarer Central a few days ago:


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I can notice a few differences between them, namely, the front struts in the first pic appear to be missing the lower circular connector that you bolt to the car itself. Does that part just slide on?
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 11:36 am, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$200 for the springs if they are lows or super lows and I reckon the shocks are probably worth $50 or less.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 11:41 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The springs are super-lows, and do you think the shocks are worth $50 each or $50 for all four? What would you pay all-up for the setup? cheers for the advice.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 12:08 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't pay much at all for used shocks like those. Used budget shocks suck. Do your arse a favour and get some new ones. Look on eBay USA. I have ordered several new sets of shocks and had them airmailed out here cheaper than local prices.

Honestly I wouldn't pay 200 bucks for used springs either.

The shock mount you are looking for is at the bottom of the picture. They are upside down compared to the others.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 12:19 pm, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Miles says, hard to judge the condition of used shocks, they are usually in bad condition.

Here in NZ the Toyota dealer has JZA80 Bilsteins for $160 each brand new.

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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 12:57 pm, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers guys. Matt, would you say Bilsteins are better than pedders sports ryders?
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 01:01 pm, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And Miles, that does sound like a good idea importing them from the states, but the problem is I need them asap as the car is useless without them and I'm useless without the car as I live rurally without the option for public transport. So I honestly just need something that's gonna hold the car up until I can save for something a lot better.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 01:23 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Used stuff might be the go then. Surely someone with a wreck is willing to sell used shocks/springs cheaper than 400? Daniel?

Have you checked the Supra site to see if anyone is selling stock stuff? The Bilsteins really are good stuff and the Supra crowd know how to turn them into a top notch setup for low low bucks. Most Bilsteins are rebuildable and I believe the Supra ones are no exception. I would take that NZ Bilstein price up there and call around the various friendly Toyota dealers here. Do Castle Hill still look after us?

Airmail may actually be quicker than sifting through forums and waiting for someone to post parts. I get my stuff inside a week. I believe the guy I bought all my shocks from sent them UPS. They're mighty quick. It's gonna be more exy than used stuff though if you don't have the green right now.

You can also pick up the threaded adjustment sleeves later to make the Bilsteins height adjustable.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 02:16 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Used shocks are like used tyres - use em if you have to, but replace em when you can!

Just fitted a set of KYB Excel-G's to the front of my car today - $320 for the pair. I considered the Blisteins which would have been $368 delivered, but the left shock was leaking so I couldn't really wait for them to come from Wellington, and I already have KYB's on the back (OE spec)

Had a weird problem after fitting and settling, torqued everything up, then went for a test drive and something was clanging and banging away! Came straight back home and re-torqued everything including all the other bolts and nuts I could easily get at - nothing seemed to move much, but the clanging and banging has gone! Went for a good thrash out towards Raglan (fantastic piece of road just 10 minutes from home) and not a sound any more! Very strange.

The car's feeling much better on the road now, I hadn't realised how bad the old shocks were - clearly even though only one was leaking they were both rooted, even though the right one looked just fine. I guess the new shocks are probably technically superior also which might help.

Anyway, long story short, don't judge a shock by how it looks, it might be stuffed on the inside, and you really can't tell just by pushing and pulling on the piston.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 03:11 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

super low springs for the soarer?? since when?
James Cahir
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 10:10 pm, by:  James Cahir (James987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got a second hand set of 4 x Tanabe lowered springs and 4 x KYB struts for $200 from SC (cheers Justin C) but minus top mounts if that is any comparison.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 09:29 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much did the top mounts set you back James? And are Tanabe's and KYB's better than Kings and Sports Ryders in your opinion?

And Miles, do you reckon Bilsteins are a lot better than the pedders sports ryders? Now that I'm taking the airbags out, I'm not too fussed about having height adjustable suspension as it will never be the same as the joy of a flick of a switch A mate of mine reckons sports ryders are the beez neez (although he does have them on his car so he's bound to be biased) so I'm having a tough time figuring out which ones to get as I've found a set of bilsteins (2nd hand) for $250 so price isn't really the issue it's more about which set is better.

Realistically, I only need a short-term solution to get me back on the road, but it's nice to hear some opinions on the best suspension setup for our cars because I'll need to buy a new setup soon and it's good to get an idea of what kind of suspension gear is out there because it's an area of my car that I've never really paid much attention to.

Cheers for all the advice fellas.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 10:14 am, by:  James Cahir (James987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The place that fitted them just used my existing top mounts off the old struts.

I'm really happy with the Tanabe's, I've had King Springs in a couple of other cars and I'd say the Tanabe's are better without a doubt. It's not that the King's were terrible - they were just really soft.

The KYB's are pretty old so I couldn't say if they're better than the Sports Ryders. If the Bilstein's are in good nic, they will all over the Sports Ryders.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 04:39 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes yes and yes, Bilsteins are the best you can get. They are rebuildable and there is a huge selection of valves available - straight out of their racing catalog. You can also buy the outer threaded sleeves for them to be height adjustable. You would never need to throw Bilsteins away and you could make a much better suspension out of them than anything else. The dude who knows all about em on the Supra is gixxer drew. Check him out, he's famous for an awesome Bilstein setup.

From what I remember, Supra Bilsteins are about the same internally as any of B's other racing shocks. They are, simply, the best. I have put Bilstein shocks on a Corvette and they were an unbelievable upgrade over the KYBs that were on it. And that was straight out of the box without messing with the valving. As we have another Vette in the shed awaiting resto, there is now another box of Bilsteins on the shelf.

These are shocks you can take apart, rebuild, buy parts for, adjust, have fun with and learn stuff on. They are a world above the other gear - they are a piece of racing equipment.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 05:07 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 04:39 pm:

Yes yes and yes, Bilsteins are the best you can get.




Agreed but there are a few other brands of shocks at the same level of Bilsteins some people might even consider better ie Ohlins. Pricing I have seen was 3k for a set of shocks which is beyond reasonable for most people.

IMO for the money at the above listed price you will not beat Bilsteins.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 05:45 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well yes.. Ohlins, Penske etc are all cream of the crop racing gear too. But yeah, the Bilsteins are the only ones I can think of that are affordable for a street Soarer.. I should have put in there that I meant best you can get affordably in the street category.

I'm surprised you can get Ohlins as low as 3k a set.. last time I saw a sticker on their triple adjustables with remote reservoir it was heading towards 2 grand each. Maybe the 2 ways are cheaper.

Penske are astronomical. A set of their Porsche 2 ways is past 10 grand. I can't remember what they wanted for the 3 ways they make for the Viper but it was just ridiculous.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 05:59 pm, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys, I'll keep my eye out for a 2nd hand set of Bilsteins and then upgrade to some brand spankers once I get the coins. I'm so keen to get the soarer back on the road, I've been driving around in a truck and my gf's lancer when she's not using it and it reminds me just how nice the soarer is to drive!
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Friday, February 19, 2010 - 07:45 pm, by:  Bernard Smith-Roberts (Gaze) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Miles said, the advantage with bilsteins is that you won't have to get new ones - just get them rebuilt. Then they can valve them exactly to your requirements (spring rate, driving style etc)
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Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 05:45 pm:

I'm surprised you can get Ohlins as low as 3k a set.. last time I saw a sticker on their triple adjustables with remote reservoir it was heading towards 2 grand each. Maybe the 2 ways are cheaper.




There is a nismo set of coilovers for skylines which are designed and built by Ohlins they are just sold as nismo and still have Ohlins branding/marking on them.

The price I have seen posted on skyline forums was 3k for a full set of nismo adjustable coilovers.

For Ohlins that is as you say a great price but for a soarer and for the money IMO Bilsteins are the way to go.
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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 12:33 pm, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys, I may have found a set of 2nd hand bilsteins, I'm just wondering, if I were to buy a new set of lowered King Springs designed for a JZA80 Supra, would they suit the bilsteins which are also designed for the same model? What I'm asking is whether the springs are a universal fit to all struts designed for each specific model? Cheers.
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Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 06:45 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Second hand springs are fine, but I wouldn't bother with second hand shocks, they could already be near death. You can get Koni Yellows for JZA80/JZZ30 which are monotube (tougher than twin tube), height and damper adjustable. You can rebuild them but at $AUD300 a shock, why bother? Not sure if Blistein is competitive with that pricing and spec. I wouldn't pay over $200 for that Pedders set and I'd consider it a short term solution, then sell off the springs and bin the shocks when you can afford something new.
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Monday, March 01, 2010 - 11:00 am, by:  Rowan Mutu (Dadzi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys, can anyone clarify whether Lowered King Springs (Lowers front 35mm / Rear 50mm) on JZA-80 NA Bilstein struts would give a UZZ31 soarer a legal ride height in NSW? My car is on 19's but has maintained the original rolling diameter.
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Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 07:46 pm, by:  David Goldthorpe (Sprocket82) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure if its legal or not but I used that suspension setup on 17 inch rims for about 6 months and it was definitely too low at the front (kept scrubbing the guards). I ended up putting standard JZA80 King springs on (part numbers KTFL-109 and KDFL-116) and rides much better now.

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