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Lloyd Montague
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Friday, April 24, 2009 - 04:50 pm, by:  Lloyd Montague (Vip400) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey guys and girls,

i've been toying with the idea of fitting an air tank in my celsior. i would also like to use larger lines/valves with step downs to what ever the standard size is. My question is will the standard bags put up with all this extra air? and does anyone know of someone else who has done or is doing this either in a celsior or soarer? if all that was too vague let me know and i'll rewrite it lol

cheers, lloyd
Brendan Horton
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Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 04:52 pm, by:  Brendan Horton (Vip) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I used 3/8" air lines on my old bags, and the simple answer to it is... No, my bags did not last, as soon as I put in the bigger airlines, valves, tank etc, I was getting airleaks everywhere, so then I had to get rid of the bags and now I have spent about $7000 all up and im back on brand new standard bags, so basically back to square one.
I do not recommend it.
Lloyd Montague
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Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 05:52 pm, by:  Lloyd Montague (Vip400) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

was it any quicker to raise and lower than standard?
Andrew Duaso
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Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 06:49 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

7K and now back to normal :|

i was going to go full aftermarket, but i spent the coin on a better motorbike


but it was going to cost $6000 drive in drive out

i have no issues witht he factory bags other than in the wet they are spastic lol

but i wanted the full controll from the aftermarket bags, also the rear goes heaps lower with aftermarket airbags
Rich O'neil
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Queensland
90 Celsior

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Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:35 am, by:  Rich O'neil (Kiwiinaus) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't forget that if you go aftermarket you lose all the semi active suspension,no anti squat no anti dive no automatic leveling and so on,all so you can go up and down a bit faster or go a bit lower ??
Lloyd Montague
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Monday, April 27, 2009 - 06:04 pm, by:  Lloyd Montague (Vip400) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so where would i go for aftermarket bags?
Brendan Horton
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Monday, April 27, 2009 - 10:00 pm, by:  Brendan Horton (Vip) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rich - Not necessarily - Self leveling kits are easily available for a slight extra cost.

Lloyd - I suggest Tubular Suspension Systems located in Sydney although they have other dealers around Aust, never seen or heard anything bad about them at all and I have seen his work, top notch and also engineered.
Andrew Duaso
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Monday, April 27, 2009 - 10:18 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

add a few k to get engineered!

afaik anti squat anti dive is a function of suspension design, not an active component of the factory air system

my 69 valiant had what they called anti dive on its torsion bar front suspension
Tom Lanyon
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SA
Supra MA71 + Celsior C-F V8

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Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 11:12 pm, by:  Tom Lanyon (Toml) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brendan - is Tubular Suspension Systems the place that did your $7k job which is now defunct?


Andrew - actually I believe the combination of standard ECU + suspension computer provides active anti-squat and anti-dive by adjusting the dampening on your shocks (ie. TEMS). It also performs auto-levelling using the air system, based on height sensors on each wheel (and a few other sensors if my memory serves correctly...)
Brendan Horton
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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 09:39 am, by:  Brendan Horton (Vip) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom - It was a "mate" who cost me 7K, We modified the standard bags to fit bigger lines, hense more air to the bags and that means they can raise and drop much faster, although it ruined the bags, had leaks, my car almost caught fire because of his dodgy work, and then I had to buy all new bags and the only bags I could find were "Arnott industries" bags, so I bought them which cost me a pretty penny.
I have not had any work done by Tubular Suspension Systems yet, but I have seen their work and it is fantastic... www.tubularsuspensionsystems.com.
TSS is still operational to my knowledge, I think that the company that you might be thinking about is "Burnin Customs" they went under about 2 years ago now.
Andrew Duaso
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Victoria
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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 12:36 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have the tss airbag kit for the soarer, as yet not installed, but will be in 2 weeks time...

it was the airbag kit or a s/c, and last time i had the same choice (different car) i chose the s/c

the soarer kit is very costly as the most expensive parts the air struts are custom made and can be brought off the shelf like a commodore kit for example, but the total cost is 4150 for the kit, and when you comapre that to the price of new airstruts it's not that bad, difference is the aftermarket bags have full adjustability and better ride and are easily rebuilt..

as mentioned the auto level, 99% of soarers have rooted suspension so the ride is like a rusty pogo stick or whatever, the anti squat/dive is a function of the suspension design, the auto level is not, now with the basic kit it's all manually adjustable, but when you get the car engineered you have the option of different ride controllers and they have varied functions the most basic being auto level which is required by law, others can do many different things...

people might say what a waste of $$ or whatever, but i'll get as good if not better than factory ride, and the option to go from max low to max high in under 1sec if and when i please... also the car will go much lower than is possible on factory struts, mainly in the rear..
Ryan Seddon
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Victoria
V8 Celsior

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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 02:24 pm, by:  Ryan Seddon (Ahrjay) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew you'll have to post a video when it's all setup. Where did you get your kit from? Are you installing it yourself or getting a shop to do it?
Andrew Duaso
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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:36 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

will do for sure,


everything is getting done by DW customs in dandenong, supply and fit... then engineer
Rich O'neil
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90 Celsior

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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:09 pm, by:  Rich O'neil (Kiwiinaus) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew this is from the Lexus manual.
Quote:The shock absorber dampening force is also controlled electronically to suppress vehicle posture changes such as rolling , nose diving and squatting , thus maintaining outstanding riding comfort and controllability: End Quote.
So the electronics do play a semi active part.
Andrew Duaso
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Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:45 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

when they work ;)

i was getting an error when booting it hard as the rear sagged down and front lifted, bing...... lol

pita
Andrew Smith
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vic
v8

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Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:53 am, by:  Andrew Smith (Bt1323) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

or just get coilovers and drive slammed all the time
Andrew Duaso
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Monday, June 15, 2009 - 11:46 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that sucks balls

then have to park it on the street and get it stolen cos i cant get it in the garage...


i've had several extreme low static drop cars before, and you get over it... my Valiant was 55mm to the chassis rails, i drove it at that height for 5years

the soarer is a normal car, slammed when i want to... then i can climb gutters if i need to
David Goldthorpe
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UZZ31 GT-L

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 07:02 pm, by:  David Goldthorpe (Sprocket82) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I posted these up before but they may interest you, Lloyd. No other info, just found them online.



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Andrew Duaso
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V8

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 07:06 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im going for a stealth set up

open the boot and look inside and the car looks stock

nice looking car though.... but the soarers are so much nicer.... they havent dated like the overgrown rwd camry lol
Brendan Horton
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 04:59 am, by:  Brendan Horton (Vip) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That white Celsior is a TSS bagged car. The guy who is doing my kit also bagged this white Celsior. Looks a million dollars though! That setup is clean! The whole car is immaculate!
Andrew Duaso
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Victoria
V8

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 10:52 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The car is really nice!

But where does the bread and milk go?
Brendan Horton
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Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 04:52 pm, by:  Brendan Horton (Vip) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the partners car where it belongs! haha

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