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Glen Muller
DieHard
Victoria
Soarer - 'Z31 V8

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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:20 am, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't come here much any more, because every time I do I read a few posts jammed full of inane, intelligible babble, bereft of the appropriate grammatical and semantic qualities and skills which identify a functionally literate member of society with some semblance of an education. This makes kitteh mad.

$10 says I'll get a few replies about this whinge, typically containing "this is a Soarer forum, not school" (et cetera), usually containing one or more spelling or punctuation mistakes, iterating my point even further and merely making a fool of the author.

If you are rubbish at spelling and punctuation, or have the propensity to utter malapropisms and generally bastardise the English language, yet you retain the belief that you reserve the right to not have this pointed out to you, then I think you need a clip around the ears. I acknowledge that often people have genuine automotive issues which require the opinions and expertise of long-term enthusiasts, however the rest of us reserve the right to read and respond to these dilemmas without having to go on a futile code-breaking rampage, in order to simply identify the point that's feebly being put across.

Geddit?
Ryan McDonough
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NSW
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:23 am, by:  Ryan McDonough (Ryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As above!
Enzo Seidl
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TT

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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:25 am, by:  Enzo Seidl (Enzoisamazing) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plus one to said point.
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:56 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed.
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 12:20 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Word dawg!
Trevor Marsh
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 01:40 pm, by:  Trevor Marsh (Tma7) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's so easy to spell correctly nowadays as most computers highlight any errors. Being in my late 50's I was taught the 'old' way about spelling (a clip around the ear when I got too many wrong) at school but for me it's almost a pride thing because I feel it's important to use the correct grammar, spelling and punctuation whenever possible.

What makes it worse (particularly when I'm sending emails)is when the computer tells me my English is wrong and wants me to use crap American spelling.

I think it's a generation thing. Not all, but a lot of generation Y (or is it generation 'me') just can't be bothered, especially now they're used to texting etc.
Glen Muller
DieHard
Victoria
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 03:13 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trevor, you more than likely learned a 'whole language' approach to reading and spelling. For decades that method was abandoned in favour of a phonetic method - anyone who remembers their primary school teachers coaxing them to "sound it out" when attempting to read or spell a word was subjected to this educational atrocity. It's patronising to the kids and a complete waste of time. Phonetics is the method by which we learn speech, NOT the conventions of the written word.

Luckily there are some bright sparks down at the department of education who cottoned on to the fact that this method was a load of honkey, and they're trying to stamp it out. The problem is that it will take a long time to achieve...
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 05:06 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Trevor Marsh wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 01:40 pm:

the computer tells me my English is wrong and wants me to use crap American spelling.


It actually took me quite a bit of time to create a proper English dictionary for SC and to weed out the Americanised words. There isn't much available that's accurate and reasonably up to date.


Top thread Glen!
Glen Muller
DieHard
Victoria
Soarer - 'Z31 V8

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Monday, June 11, 2012 - 07:59 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can also be the operating system Pen. When I'm writing up philosophy papers for Uni, my computer tells me that half of my vocabulary doesn't exist. It's obvious when I'm making up a word or term for some concept I'm trying to condense (example: I wrote a paper on the experience of self last year and one of the terms I used was "Robertness", which described the state of existence experienced by the fellow in a case study). But I get narky when the stupid thing tells me that "metalanguage" is not a word!
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:15 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gary Rollason
TryHard
Qld
TT 5 speed

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 10:48 am, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Glen Muller wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:20 am:

intelligible babble




Unintelligible babble


Glen Muller wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:20 am:

iterating my point even further and merely making a fool of the author.




Reiterating

Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Connor McElligott
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ACT
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 11:02 am, by:  Connor McElligott (Solveig) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Trevor Marsh wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 01:40 pm:




Not necessarily true. I'm 18, and pride myself on the use grammar and punctuation when writing anything.
Whereas if I am to get a text message from either of my parents, both of them shorten their words and sometimes use 'txt talk'.
Michael Sinay
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TT

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 11:09 am, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm pretty sure you are going to find txt talk and bad spelling in any forum, especially car ones, so maybe take this up with the whole world instead of just this forum.
Kurt Atzmuller
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Victoria
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 03:46 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wasn't there a thread on the grammar topic a few month's back??
Evan Kaio
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 04:14 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/289/351941.html?1322209111

Glen Muller
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Victoria
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:10 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Gary Rollason wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 10:48 am:

Reiterating

Sorry, couldn't help myself.




You picked up on my typo (unintelligible), thanks. Gives me the poos when I'm trying to make a point and I go and bone it up. However, to 'iterate' means to recapitulate a statement with an assertive bent. 'Reiterate' means exactly that - reiterating something. I deliberately chose the word 'iterate'.
Glen Muller
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:14 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Kurt Atzmuller wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 03:46 pm:

Wasn't there a thread on the grammar topic a few month's back??




Months. Apostrophes are for possessives.
Glen Muller
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 05:15 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Michael Sinay wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 11:09 am:

maybe take this up with the whole world instead of just this forum.




You have to start small.
Dan McColl
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Victoria (The Nazi State)
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 07:46 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Love your work, Glen.
Kurt Atzmuller
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TT`s

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 07:51 pm, by:  Kurt Atzmuller (Kurt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look i'm all for your cause really i am.

The thought that pops into my mind about all this is not everyone has had the equal opportunity to learn the language.
I'm sure theres people out there on soarer central that live overseas, or have moved to this country not too long ago and english is not their first language.
Or there may be intellectually disabled people out there who are not as fortunate as you or i.
Another person may have sustained brain damage in a car accident.
Theres lots of reasons why someone's language skills might not be up to scratch, and for that reason you have to be flexible a job the moderators do very well.
And on forums such as this you have no idea the story of the person writing the posts! I just hope they don't get put off posting by fear of having the post graded!

Just my thought anyway.
Please correct all my mistakes if you got nothing better to do!
Nathan Sheehan
TryHard
Victoria
Soarer TT Manual

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 08:02 pm, by:  Nathan Sheehan (Soarermad1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Antidisestablishmentarianism!
Bernie Simm
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Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 07:50 am, by:  Bernie Simm (Mayhem78) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is an auto forum...not a grammar school...My spelling isn't that flash,and if i were to be ridiculed on this site,simply for the grammar i use,I wouldn't bother coming back. Some of us dont have a high education level,some of us may be ignorant to the english language,but lets not forget,we are all here for the same thing,because we love our soarers....even if we cant spell sora!
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 11:34 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bernie, it's not a matter of being ridiculed, but it is a matter of taking a bit of pride in what you do.

In your post for example, using a comma doesn't replace the need for a space after the comma.

Now you can get upset that I have pointed it out, or possibly learn something that may help you with a job application one day.

Cheers!
Boris Siljanoski
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Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 11:48 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I reckon it's good that we should try to do our best to spell correctly. Even if we make small mistakes that is fine but we should try our best.

And even for those who didn't have a chance to learn how to spell, write well, who might have had lousy teachers, it's pretty easy with the Internet now days and from reading other good examples.
Scott Vim
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Vic
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Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 10:11 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm a bit of a Antidisestablishmentarianist (think that's the correct spelling).
Haydn Stewart
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Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 12:59 pm, by:  Haydn Stewart (Haydog09) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree wid u LOL
Nathan Sheehan
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Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 02:36 pm, by:  Nathan Sheehan (Soarermad1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When you sign up to the internet you're automatically meant to maintain some frame of grammar. It's in the contractual agreement

Signed

The Interwebs
Haydn Stewart
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Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 04:10 pm, by:  Haydn Stewart (Haydog09) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or else what?
Gary Rollason
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Sunday, June 17, 2012 - 07:09 pm, by:  Gary Rollason (Garyr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lol!
Or else we won't bother to try to decipher your gobbledegook and help you with the car problem you're here to get help for. Of course.
I don't care if you can't spell, or if your grammar isn't perfect, but if I can't understand what you're asking, I'm not going to try to help.

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