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Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 913 Reg: 12-2007
| I don't come here much any more, because every time I do I read a few posts jammed full of inane, intelligible babble, bereft of the appropriate grammatical and semantic qualities and skills which identify a functionally literate member of society with some semblance of an education. This makes kitteh mad. $10 says I'll get a few replies about this whinge, typically containing "this is a Soarer forum, not school" (et cetera), usually containing one or more spelling or punctuation mistakes, iterating my point even further and merely making a fool of the author. If you are rubbish at spelling and punctuation, or have the propensity to utter malapropisms and generally bastardise the English language, yet you retain the belief that you reserve the right to not have this pointed out to you, then I think you need a clip around the ears. I acknowledge that often people have genuine automotive issues which require the opinions and expertise of long-term enthusiasts, however the rest of us reserve the right to read and respond to these dilemmas without having to go on a futile code-breaking rampage, in order to simply identify the point that's feebly being put across. Geddit? |
Ryan McDonough
DieHard NSW JZZ30 TT
Posts: 760 Reg: 07-2005
| As above! |
Enzo Seidl
TryHard NSW TT
Posts: 164 Reg: 03-2012
| Plus one to said point. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA RSP GT-T
Posts: 3972 Reg: 09-2007
| Agreed. |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo WA TT (for sale $5.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, 97 JZZ30 vvti turbo white manual, 96 vvti turbo manual, Legnum VR4, MR2 sw20, Alfa 156
Posts: 2859 Reg: 09-2006
| Word dawg! |
Trevor Marsh
Tinkerer queensland soarer tt
Posts: 27 Reg: 05-2012
| It's so easy to spell correctly nowadays as most computers highlight any errors. Being in my late 50's I was taught the 'old' way about spelling (a clip around the ear when I got too many wrong) at school but for me it's almost a pride thing because I feel it's important to use the correct grammar, spelling and punctuation whenever possible. What makes it worse (particularly when I'm sending emails)is when the computer tells me my English is wrong and wants me to use crap American spelling. I think it's a generation thing. Not all, but a lot of generation Y (or is it generation 'me') just can't be bothered, especially now they're used to texting etc. |
Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 914 Reg: 12-2007
| Trevor, you more than likely learned a 'whole language' approach to reading and spelling. For decades that method was abandoned in favour of a phonetic method - anyone who remembers their primary school teachers coaxing them to "sound it out" when attempting to read or spell a word was subjected to this educational atrocity. It's patronising to the kids and a complete waste of time. Phonetics is the method by which we learn speech, NOT the conventions of the written word. Luckily there are some bright sparks down at the department of education who cottoned on to the fact that this method was a load of honkey, and they're trying to stamp it out. The problem is that it will take a long time to achieve... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 12356 Reg: 11-2004
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Trevor Marsh wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 01:40 pm:the computer tells me my English is wrong and wants me to use crap American spelling.
It actually took me quite a bit of time to create a proper English dictionary for SC and to weed out the Americanised words. There isn't much available that's accurate and reasonably up to date. Top thread Glen! |
Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 915 Reg: 12-2007
| Can also be the operating system Pen. When I'm writing up philosophy papers for Uni, my computer tells me that half of my vocabulary doesn't exist. It's obvious when I'm making up a word or term for some concept I'm trying to condense (example: I wrote a paper on the experience of self last year and one of the terms I used was "Robertness", which described the state of existence experienced by the fellow in a case study). But I get narky when the stupid thing tells me that "metalanguage" is not a word! |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand BMW E36 Coupe 1UZFE V8 340i
Posts: 5545 Reg: 11-2005
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Gary Rollason
TryHard Qld TT 5 speed
Posts: 416 Reg: 05-2007
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Glen Muller wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:20 am: intelligible babble
Unintelligible babble
Glen Muller wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:20 am: iterating my point even further and merely making a fool of the author.
Reiterating Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Connor McElligott
Tinkerer ACT V8 UZZ31
Posts: 43 Reg: 09-2011
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Trevor Marsh wrote on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 01:40 pm:
Not necessarily true. I'm 18, and pride myself on the use grammar and punctuation when writing anything. Whereas if I am to get a text message from either of my parents, both of them shorten their words and sometimes use 'txt talk'. |
Michael Sinay
TryHard NSW TT
Posts: 377 Reg: 07-2005
| I'm pretty sure you are going to find txt talk and bad spelling in any forum, especially car ones, so maybe take this up with the whole world instead of just this forum. |
Kurt Atzmuller
TryHard Victoria TT`s
Posts: 239 Reg: 05-2011
| Wasn't there a thread on the grammar topic a few month's back?? |
Evan Kaio
DieHard "Beautiful sunnny, (our Coach sacked most of our All Blacks) 'Canes' country '91 UZZ31. 92 TT
Posts: 969 Reg: 01-2007
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Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 917 Reg: 12-2007
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Gary Rollason wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 10:48 am:Reiterating Sorry, couldn't help myself.
You picked up on my typo (unintelligible), thanks. Gives me the poos when I'm trying to make a point and I go and bone it up. However, to 'iterate' means to recapitulate a statement with an assertive bent. 'Reiterate' means exactly that - reiterating something. I deliberately chose the word 'iterate'. |
Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 918 Reg: 12-2007
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Kurt Atzmuller wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 03:46 pm:Wasn't there a thread on the grammar topic a few month's back??
Months. Apostrophes are for possessives. |
Glen Muller
DieHard Victoria Soarer - 'Z31 V8
Posts: 919 Reg: 12-2007
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Michael Sinay wrote on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 11:09 am:maybe take this up with the whole world instead of just this forum.
You have to start small. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo Victoria (The Nazi State) Pretty Red Thing and The Black Rattler
Posts: 3577 Reg: 07-2005
| Love your work, Glen. |
Kurt Atzmuller
TryHard Victoria TT`s
Posts: 240 Reg: 05-2011
| Look i'm all for your cause really i am. The thought that pops into my mind about all this is not everyone has had the equal opportunity to learn the language. I'm sure theres people out there on soarer central that live overseas, or have moved to this country not too long ago and english is not their first language. Or there may be intellectually disabled people out there who are not as fortunate as you or i. Another person may have sustained brain damage in a car accident. Theres lots of reasons why someone's language skills might not be up to scratch, and for that reason you have to be flexible a job the moderators do very well. And on forums such as this you have no idea the story of the person writing the posts! I just hope they don't get put off posting by fear of having the post graded! Just my thought anyway. Please correct all my mistakes if you got nothing better to do! |
Nathan Sheehan
TryHard Victoria Soarer TT Manual
Posts: 242 Reg: 12-2005
| Antidisestablishmentarianism! |
Bernie Simm
Tinkerer Tasmania GT 4.0 v8
Posts: 15 Reg: 06-2012
| This is an auto forum...not a grammar school...My spelling isn't that flash,and if i were to be ridiculed on this site,simply for the grammar i use,I wouldn't bother coming back. Some of us dont have a high education level,some of us may be ignorant to the english language,but lets not forget,we are all here for the same thing,because we love our soarers....even if we cant spell sora! |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 12357 Reg: 11-2004
| Bernie, it's not a matter of being ridiculed, but it is a matter of taking a bit of pride in what you do. In your post for example, using a comma doesn't replace the need for a space after the comma. Now you can get upset that I have pointed it out, or possibly learn something that may help you with a job application one day. Cheers! |
Boris Siljanoski
Goo Roo Western Australia LS400 + Soarer.
Posts: 1575 Reg: 11-2007
| I reckon it's good that we should try to do our best to spell correctly. Even if we make small mistakes that is fine but we should try our best. And even for those who didn't have a chance to learn how to spell, write well, who might have had lousy teachers, it's pretty easy with the Internet now days and from reading other good examples. |
Scott Vim
TryHard Vic Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)
Posts: 256 Reg: 12-2010
| I'm a bit of a Antidisestablishmentarianist (think that's the correct spelling). |
Haydn Stewart
TryHard SA V8
Posts: 256 Reg: 03-2012
| I agree wid u LOL |
Nathan Sheehan
TryHard Victoria Soarer TT Manual
Posts: 244 Reg: 12-2005
| When you sign up to the internet you're automatically meant to maintain some frame of grammar. It's in the contractual agreement Signed The Interwebs |
Haydn Stewart
TryHard SA V8
Posts: 257 Reg: 03-2012
| Or else what? |
Gary Rollason
TryHard Qld TT 5 speed
Posts: 417 Reg: 05-2007
| Lol! Or else we won't bother to try to decipher your gobbledegook and help you with the car problem you're here to get help for. Of course. I don't care if you can't spell, or if your grammar isn't perfect, but if I can't understand what you're asking, I'm not going to try to help.
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