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Tristan Rayner
Newbie
tasmania
soarer 2.0L

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Reg: 03-2010

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 05:28 pm, by:  Tristan Rayner (Worksescort) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hello everyone my names Tristan and i own a 1986 gz10. i am in two minds on wheather to sell my car or put a manuel box in it and race it. the car is all origanal and in mini condition but the cost of converting the box (is it worth it?). if anyone is interested in the car i would sell it for $4,000
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 05:40 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You'll be looking at around $1000 In Parts to convert to a manual box.

If you want something that will make it worth your money though, spend an extra $800 To get yourself a 1g-gte engine, this is the same engine you have in your car but turbocharged.

With that and the manual box, you will be happy.
Tristan Rayner
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tasmania
soarer 2.0L

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 12:49 pm, by:  Tristan Rayner (Worksescort) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok so does the 1g-gte engine bolt straight in and how hard is one to get?
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 06:24 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are becoming pretty hard to get lately outside of Japan.

I Might consider selling one I have for the right price though, Low K, Complete with Turbos, Wiring loom and ECU.

It's a pretty easy conversion. Since you allready have a 1g in there the mounts should be the same so they'll just bolt up.

You'll have no problems fitting the engine, Wiring is the harder part but people have done these conversions before so it will be easy to get help with the wiring.
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 02:11 pm, by:  Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tristan Rayner wrote on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 12:49 pm:

ok so does the 1g-gte engine bolt straight in and how hard is one to get?




hey mate.. i was in a similar position a few years back..

i had a gz10, but factory manual..

here is some advice from someone who has done it before.

1. i'd definitely convert to manual.. autos are gay.. that is all
2. while you are at it, definitely go for a 1ggte..
3. make sure you get a motor with engine mounts attached.. the NA ones DO NOT FIT.. due to where to turbo oil drain goes. also, depending on what the motor comes out of, you may need to change the location of the mounts on the motor itself. mine came from a z20, i needed to shift the mounts forward on the motor and modify one of the holes with a grinder
4. make sure you get a motor complete with harness and ecu.. wiring this into the factory harness is a cnut.. especially the dash..
5. the factory manual these came with is a w55.. but anything like the w55, 56, 58 etc.. will fit.. they just have different gear ration..
6. finding a manual box will be easy.. finding the x-member, pedal box, master cylinder etc.. to suit a z10 may be more tricky..
7. Upgrade your fuel pump when going from NA to turbo.

for the record mine made 276rwhp with a high flowed ct26 on 15psi.. i had plenty of fuel spare.. could have easily gone 300 with a tune.. but i only had SAFC2.. which is about as useful as tits on a bull..

trust me, that sort of HP in a car that weighs next to nothing.. 1200kg's odd.. is plenty..

if you are serious about racing it though start with suspension, diff etc...

they actaully handle quite well with a decent suspension set up..

i had s13 front end with Tein coilovers and adjustable strut tops from a s13..the way that the bolt holes line up gives you additional castor as well. (research this conversion, its worth it)

the rear is a little trickier.. but there are plenty of options out there..

good luck..

Stomps
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 07:03 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stomps how did you shift the mounts forward on the 1g-gte? I mean there is only the factory bolt holes so they can only go in one place. What did you have to do?
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 11:57 am, by:  Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the mounts for the na 1g and turbo 1g are different..

youll find that there are 6 factory holes not 4.

the middle holes remain common, but depending on what car it goes into, the mounts will either bolt to the 2 more forward or 2 more rearward holes.

my memory of what exactly we did is a little sketchy as the conversion was done before my bro's birthday.. and went something like this..

Sat
10am- start working on conversion
11am- engine out, start drinking.
11-12- fit all pedals, clutch master, lines etc.
12- stop for lunch, have many a beer
1-3 swap gearbox over from NA to turbo motors
have some beers
3-4 try get motor in, go first time- drink
4-5 get motor in, but sitting in wrong position.
drink
5-6 swap mounts over.. modify mounts with grinder..while drinking several beers.
6-7 sump fouling on x-member.. just get drunk

Sun
7am- no sleep, still drunk..swap sumps
8am-10am- put motor in while recovering, having breakfast etc...
11am- motor in. start drinking again..
the rest is a blur..

Stomps
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 - 05:43 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the middle bolt hole was common couldn't you have just drilled a hole to add another bolt hole where you needed it?

Or was the grinder bit just to let the turbo drain clear?
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 12:18 pm, by:  Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no, there are 6 holes in the block

4 in the mount

so at one point(mounts more rearward): the two holes on the right of the mount will line up with the two middle holes on the block.

at the other point(mounts more forward): the two holes on the left of the mount will line up with the two middle holes on the block.

get what i mean?

Stomps
Lucas Waterworth
Tinkerer
north island, nz
2.5tt auto

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Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 06:11 pm, by:  Lucas Waterworth (Gadget666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would recommend selling, and buying a 3rd gen, either a TT or a v8, then doing a conversion. either choice will get you a car that can be modified to extreme amounts of power, in a more modern vehicle (in the case of the jz series of motors, in excess of 1,000hp with extreme modification. a stock tt auto will probably outperform your car with a manual, and it will only get faster, and bear in mind there are a lot more people that know how to modify a 3rd gen than a second gen, so advice and help will be easier to come by
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 06:48 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only problem is the 3rd gen is a sailplane. Stick with the z10 if you can do some work yourself, you could have yourself a 1jz in there for much less the cost of buying a 3rd gen Soarer.
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20

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Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 06:31 pm, by:  Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it really depends on what level you wanna take things to..

i personally hate the look of the jzz30 (3rd gen) soarer in stock form.. they handle soooo poorly its not even funny.. so to start with you will need aftermarkete swaybars front and rear, decent coilovers, proper LSD etc...

that will make it handle like a car instead of a boat..

other problem is that you will need to either find a factory manual or do a r154 conversions.. because autos are gay... and about as much fun as drowning..

r154 conversion on a jzz30.. hmmm lets take a stab at $3.5k.. and thats if you can do the work yourself..

so to get a car that will be fun to drive and handle properly you are looking at roughly $6k.. on top of purchase price..

having said that, the availability of aftermarket suspension parts for z30's is impressive given they share many parts with the jza80... but they arent cheap either, you are looking at $700+ for adjustable control arms.. (front only)

so if you have a ftruck load of money to spend, sure go a jzz30.. but for the love of god dont keep it stock..

sure in a straight line a stock jzz30 will win.. but straight line is massively gay.. and a properly set up z10 will schite all over z30's all day in the twisty stuff..

z10 also has mucho suspension parts available.. especially if you go s13 front end.. not to mention z10's weigh about 400kg's less than z30's so you are already WAAAAY ahead there..

as for advice, there are plenty of people who know how to modify each series of soarer.. find someone with technical knowledge and get their advice.. dont listen to people who get all their information from forums... they are generally full of

good luck mate.. keep us updated on progress/your decision...

Stomps
Boris Siljanoski
DieHard
Western Australia
Soarer GZ20 TT

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Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 07:49 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely keep the z10.

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