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Rory Braatvedt
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North Island
Soarer v8

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 06:55 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like most other Soarer owners i've had many a dark thought on converting to the Aristo. Reasoning? Obviously the 2JZ under the hood, the practicality of 4 doors, and the slightly 'WTF is that?' mentality they have on the road.

Only problem is, where i come from (NZ) I can never get to test drive one locally as they are so rare.

Can someone who has driven 2 out of the 3 cars above compare them for me please? Things like comfort, handling, power (pickup/acceleration feel) and so on?

Am seriously considering selling my V8 for one of these.
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
TT (for sale $5.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, 97 JZZ30 vvti turbo white manual, 96 vvti turbo manual, Legnum VR4, MR2 sw20, Alfa 156

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 09:06 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go the tt! V8 is boring if u like power.

Aristos are too long and big imho
Boris Siljanoski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
LS400 + Soarer.

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 11:06 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

V8's have great low end pull that the TT will never have but the twin turbo is much more powerful anything after that, and the V8 costs too much money to mod to get more power.

V8 is an Excellent Cruiser and usually has nice seats and some have a display.

Aristo has it all Luxury and Power.
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 09:47 am, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I must say i do appreciate the low-down RPM drivability of the V8. Has anyone driven the Aristo who can compare the driving experience?
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
BMW E36 Coupe 1UZFE V8 340i

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:41 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look for a V8 4wd Aristo, that might fit your bill

What year of 2JZ Aristo are you talking about?

I've driven a 1999 2JZGE, very nice car smooth and well made, little bit of grunt with the vvti engine. Certainly more nimble than a Celsior, but not as quick.
Daniel Lee
Goo Roo
Victoria
JZX110 (1JZ-GTE VVTI)

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:55 am, by:  Daniel Lee (Son_gokou) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about JZX110 1JZGTE VVTI?

They have leather interior, heated mirrors, EMV and four doors!
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 11:57 am, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In New Zealand you can get a TT, V8, or Aristo for $5000. The JZX110 or Chaser are at least $13,000. That would be why :-)
Mark Donovan
DieHard
Auckland
V8 Limited

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 04:39 pm, by:  Mark Donovan (Mark_donovan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Get yourself a soarer V8 and a soarer TT, then you'll have the best of both. The Soarer is IMO a classic design and the Aristo is almost entirely forgettable.
Evan Kaio
Goo Roo
04 country
'91 UZZ31. 92 TT

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Monday, April 01, 2013 - 05:26 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No Aristo V8 4WD's on TMe at the mo.
Use to be heaps of them. Thought I would buy one, Jeeze what was I thinking?


Mark Donovan wrote on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 04:39 pm:

Get yourself a soarer V8 and a soarer TT, then you'll have the best of both. The Soarer is IMO a classic design and the Aristo is almost entirely forgettable.




Might have to agree with Mark.

Has anyone re-powered a Celsior with a 2jzgte big single,in NZ?
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 01:52 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't see the point of owning a TT AND a V8 Soarer. The reason i'd consider an Aristo is because they are just so different on the roads of NZ. I agree about the styling, the Aristo is forgettable and the Soarer is a timeless classic. At the same time, an Aristo makes a nice sleeper - even a stock Soarer looks like it's ready to race someone.
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 09:49 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Evan Kaio wrote on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 05:26 pm:

Has anyone re-powered a Celsior with a 2jzgte big single,in NZ?




I'd love to do that.

I think the early Celsior looks great, subtle classic shape.

A nice tidy install with a few upgrades up to the 400hp mark, probably best to run a modified A340e with the TCM-2000 as a tiptronic setup + LSD

Better wheels etc, subtle exhaust note etc.

Probably nice to keep stock suspension, so it's just a really fast lounge.

Then again, one could just wack a twin screw on a V8 celsior and be away laughing.
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 05:18 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well just to update, i was about to buy an Aristo (and keep my Soarer). Was bidding at an auction on TradeMe which i was leading (reserve met @ $3,000) and then the trader withdrew the listing on the final day. So annoyed.
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 10:56 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well that was a pain!

I assume it is a 2JZGE model?
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 02:58 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

2GJGTE. Turbo - reserve was $2500 and on the final day of auction it was only me and one other guy bidding to $3000. Would have finished for around 3,500 which is still a bargain. Stock as a rock 177,000kms. I was all ready to pick the damn thing up before the guy withdrew it - so back to the bargain hunting for me!
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
SA
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car, plus a spare shell

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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 04:07 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A mate had the basic 2jz aristo. Apart from being auto, i loved the thing. Nice set of mesh wheels and a subtle lowering and they look very nice
David Ward
DieHard
Victoria
2.5 TT & 3.0 TT

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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 06:52 pm, by:  David Ward (Djwtoyota) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

....and go like stink. Very nicely appointed, handle quite well with coilovers, very understated.
Tai Johnsen
Goo Roo
QLD
JZZ30 Pov Manual LSD & black!

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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 07:48 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, if they came with the supra 6 speed there would be one in my garage for sure..
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 08:54 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update

The car has been relisted.. this time it has 2 problems: smokes on startup and idling issue. Funny, problem wasn't listed last time. Either way, might bid up to a reasonable amount.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=579485484

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Mike Beck
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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 09:20 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pretty cheap going for what they are under the body.

I think their looks are just a put off for most buyers though, mainly the side profile - big and doofy, very Camry-esque...

I never felt they were a true 'Lexus' like the Soarer or Celsior - those two models seemed to have the extra details and quality put into them which makes them standout (if in good condition)
Rory Braatvedt
TryHard
North Island
Soarer v8

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Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 10:19 pm, by:  Rory Braatvedt (Fallward) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would have to agree about the styling. They don't really seem like a true 'Lexus' and they really don't have a nice side profile. In fact, the whole car would be entirely forgettable if it didn't have that engine under the hood. Even still... the idea of having something Supra-powered for under 5k is naturally appealing....
Ben Lipman
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SA
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Friday, April 05, 2013 - 06:18 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If Toyota sold both the turbo and v8 in Australia, they woulda given HSV and Tickford a run for their money, and TRD would have had something worth dressing up. TRD might have had a chance to survive
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
TT (for sale $5.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, 97 JZZ30 vvti turbo white manual, 96 vvti turbo manual, Legnum VR4, MR2 sw20, Alfa 156

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Friday, April 05, 2013 - 11:57 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha good call better then a SC FWD!

If the Soarer was sold domestically it would be fairly expensive when competing with HSV FPV as the early 90s were characterised by significant import taxes
Gareth Richards
TryHard
Bristol UK
GTT Manual/GTT-L auto / Aristo Mk1 TT / Lexus GS300 SE Mk2

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Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 08:22 am, by:  Gareth Richards (Garethr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 09:06 pm:

Aristos are too long and big imho




Aristo - Length 4920mm
Soarer - Length 4860mm

Soarer I-------------------------------------------------I Aristo

Not a huge difference. :-)

Although when I parked them side by side I was surprised that the Aristo wasn't a lot longer.
Daniel Marshall
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QLD
V8 UZZ31 X2

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Saturday, April 06, 2013 - 11:02 am, by:  Daniel Marshall (Ydass) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aristos don't drive to much different its just a little more Camry feel. I was originally looking for one before my soarer/ers purchase.
4doors are more useful that's for shore.
If the 2j is a little bit worked they do drive more fun but it feels a little bulky going into turns.
Could be old stock suspension compared to better soarer suspension between my test drives not 100% sure

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