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Wafi Cheebo
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 06:50 pm, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys

I want to know what main things are needed to be modified or changed to be able to supercharge a stock standard soarer. Rather than just bolting a supercharger on what else is included in the job? for example can the tranny handle the power or the diff? Things like that.
Ashley Leach
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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 10:47 am, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm well I don't know much about it but logic would dictate at the very least the following would need to be upgraded at the same time:

- Brakes
- ECU
- Diff
- Headers
- Exhaust

(I'm sure you could run it with a stock diff but I don't think it would last long...)
Anish Varsani
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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 07:31 pm, by:  Anish Varsani (Yomama) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lots of money!!
Ashley Leach
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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 10:23 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If 8k is a lot of money you shouldn't be looking at a blower. You'll spend that again in petrol in the first month.
Blaine Hanson
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:36 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keep the boost levels reasonable - around 6 to 9 psi and all you will need is a brake upgrade.
Ashley Leach
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 10:13 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Surely to squeeze power out your best of with an exhaust and a BFI at least.

As far as I'm aware (talking to Neil) if you don't go over 250kw you should need to worry about the tranny for a while. I'll be looking at 9psi. the more the merrier~! Don't want to be intercooled though, which I hear is needed if you run 12psi.
Lynden Phillips
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 07:17 am, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Blaine Hanson wrote on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:36 pm:

Keep the boost levels reasonable - around 6 to 9 psi and all you will need is a brake upgrade.






So you're saying as long as I stay at 6PSI all I need to do is upgrade brakes and bolt on the blower (with manifold to suit)?

Obviously LSD, Rebuilt Tranny, 440cc Injectors, Intercooling and ECU will need to be done before putting on a 14 PSI pulley ( Eaton MP112 ) But If I can bolt it on and run it at 6 PSI then I can have a little fun while I wait for the other mods.
Wafi Cheebo
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 08:24 am, by:  Wafi Cheebo (Wafi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys for the helpful replies, I checked my code on my compliance plate I have a A01B which is a factory option Torsen LSD diff? If im correct?
What sort of brakes are needed Brembo's or something or even Supra brakes.
Just a question for you guys with exhausts, I took my car to a place near by called Dallder Exhausts, and I have had my exhaust upgraded but it only starts from the Resonator Back, its not a cat back, I have gone back and asked him to remove the resonator for me but he has told me it will drone or something?? When I say resonator im talking about the stock factory resonator In the Y pipe. Also the cats I got now are the dodgy government supplied cats for compliance, Im getting them changed to original cats, do you think its gonna make a difference in performance?
Ashley Leach
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 08:32 am, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Get the whole system changed over to a 2.25" twin system. Then get headers with HiFlow cats and an X-pipe.
Blaine Hanson
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 09:00 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lynden, that's correct. After that the mods are endless based on your KW objectives.
Blaine Hanson
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 09:05 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wafi, I personally recommend the TT Supra brake upgrade. If you have a spare cash like $6000+ you can go big brembo's, but I question their value unless you do a lot of track work. If you have a smaller budget and really question whether a brake upgrade is required at all - I say yes it is and start out with the Soarer TT brake upgrade. Search and you will find a lot on this topic.
Blaine Hanson
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 09:13 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as for intake and exhaust....
Have a read of the KenneBell supercharger site. There are some great articles there.
http://www.kennebell.net/index.htm
You will find that for maximum efficiency for the SC the solution is to have no air flow restrictions in or out.
Blaine Hanson
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Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 09:17 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For example - when I designed my exhaust setup, I made sure my limiting restriction - the 5" cat could flow more ( 1015 cfm ) than my SC output ( 822 cfm ).
Lynden Phillips
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 09:02 am, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Blaine what is your exhaust setup? Twin System or Single?
Blaine Hanson
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 04:27 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My setup is different than most - see
http://www.soarerv8.com/moneypit2005.html for details and a picture.
Most of the guys go for Ashley's suggestion - "Get the whole system changed over to a 2.25" twin system. Then get headers with HiFlow cats and an X-pipe." Which I agree is a great system for N/A, but if your planning for a SC then just double check the cfm properties of all components and size accordingly.
Blaine Hanson
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 04:31 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally if I was to redesign my exhaust system once again, I would try a complete twin 3" system and get rid of the 4" pipe with 5" cat section. The problem is where to put the twin cats. For the cats to be effective, they should be as close to the headers as possible.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 05:57 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"For the cats to be effective they need to be as close to the headers"

For best results you should at least have an extension pipe after the extractors about 16-18 inches before it goes into the Cat.. Tried and tested before and after results N/A cars showed better performance with some more length before the cat.

Its all about air speed and flow. If you put some kind of restriction close to the source of the air flow, the air speed will be slower, thus slowing it down easily. If the track is longer and the air has more time to gain speed, the restriction becomes less of a hinderence as the air flow is faster going into it and will exit it alot faster.
Dan McColl
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 06:19 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 05:57 pm:

If the track is longer and the air has more time to gain speed


The exhaust gas speed is highest the moment it leaves the cylinder head. Then every centimeter it travels from there on, it slows down.


Daniel Clarke wrote on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 05:57 pm:

restriction becomes less of a hinderence as the air flow is faster going into it and will exit it alot faster


This works if you completely ignore physics and disregard induced drag in the airflow.

Why it flows better further back is because of pretty much the opposite of you're theory.
The exhaust gas is slower and therefore has less induced drag as it flows through the cat.
Temperature and density also come into the equation, and also have an effect.

The actual catalyst works best the closer it is to the engine, as it needs to be hot to effectively work.
Paul Drane
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 08:23 pm, by:  Paul Drane (Paulwd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mine is getting charged soon, but first Lew has to fit a set of Neils 2 1/2 inch headers, Two 2 1/2 inch high flow cats, then reduced down to 2 1/4 inch full twin system. Lew reckons this will give the best results. He also has to fit new engine mounts, a rebuilt trans with a shift kit, trans cooler, rear wheel bearings, and replace my rear main seal while the trans is out. Then the charger to be fitted, injector upgrade, a piggy back and tune, BFI, and a few other little things to finish it off. I have already upgraded front brakes to Celsior 4 pots and Maltech braided lines. Lew gets my car next week I hope, looking forward to finally getting this done.
Gary Nimmo
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 09:20 pm, by:  Gary Nimmo (Gazzasore) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow Paul sounds like you are building a weapon
My Exhaust
Neil Supercharger Headers
3 inch Metal core Hi Flow Cats
Magnaflow X Pipe
2.5inch right through
& a Magnaflow mufler each side
It shaw does sound good
Neil Griffiths
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 09:50 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dan McColl wrote on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 06:19 pm:

The actual catalyst works best the closer it is to the engine, as it needs to be hot to effectively work.




Depends on the Catalyst :-) hehehehe
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:12 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 09:50 pm:

Depends on the Catalyst hehehehe



Yea it maybe one of those specially customised extra hi flow cats .... The only problem is they make it difficult to pass the emissions test.
Blaine Hanson
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:13 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul keep us all posted - sound great.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, April 20, 2007 - 11:56 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow i was totally mis informed then!
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Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 01:07 pm, by:  Paul Drane (Paulwd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will keep you posted as it happens, Blaine.
Neil Griffiths
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Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 01:43 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No.
There is 2 types as in...
1 for close to engine
1 for away from engine.
Both different Catalyst's

Thats why most Complied Cats FAIL..They are to close to the hot spot.( eg, Pre RAWS Cats )

Eg,, ( Factoy Release )
V8 are on the manifolds,
TT is 1/2 way down the system.

V6 Commodore, 1/2 way down.
Corolla / Camry, near engine.

Get it :-)

If you want some real nice, great flkowwing Cat's..Nick some from a LATE Corolla / Camry, they are 5 inches round :-) and cylindrical.
Gary Nimmo
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Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 06:41 pm, by:  Gary Nimmo (Gazzasore) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These OK Neil
Well I hope they are because this is what I put on my car hahahha

This has 3.0" ends 11" long and 4" round Universal OBD II compliant, Metallic 300 cell core. These are recommended for Modified Turbo, and Nitrous applications. These will withstand higher temperatures than Ceramic Hi-performance converters.


Upload

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Yep, they sure will mate.

They are identical to the new Toyota ones :-)
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Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 08:37 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 01:43 pm:

There is 2 types as in




Well there you go. We learn something everyday.
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This is where I bought mine
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190103049442&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_ Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=190088226598&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=Store CatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
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Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 09:19 am, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha that's where I'm getting mine from too, I thought your pic looked familiar.
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They are very good to deal with & fast shipping
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Monday, April 23, 2007 - 11:38 am, by:  Lynden Phillips (Malicia) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I scored 4 for $200 + postage

Now to get the rest of the exhaust.

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