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Cihan Aday
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 09:05 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Got the Ultimate installed and running 2 weeks ago, its just been tuned.

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http://etuner.com.au/
There is a big link on the main page!

Anxiously waiting for the intercooled twin screw whipple charger setup to be fabricated and installed :-)


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Thats just before the 7,500rpm rev limiter. Unlocked converter so 3rd was brought on gently at the start and it locked around 140 which corresponds with the little groove in the graph.

Doing well for a 32', i'll take a guess and say one of the most powerful 32's out there?
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 02:11 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

V8 rev limiter is normally just over 6,000 RPM. :-)

Typo or the limit has been increased also?
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 04:01 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Limits 7,500rpm mate, he's running a Harry's ECU with daughter board and adjustable rev limit :-)

The dyno graph is just before the rev limit which pushes us well over 200kph in 3rd.
Neil Griffiths
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:03 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On my auto with 9psi I hit 235RwKw @ 6,100rpm
( Torque falls off at 6,150rpm )

Neil Griffiths
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:12 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had a thought Cihan.

Tapo is getting a Bullet made Manifold now I think ?
( Please correct me if I am wrong )
To run a Twin Screw..

You get this running and tell me the results and I will compare with you on my 2 Projects.

Whipple Twin Screw with W2A in the Manifold. ( 10pis)

SVT Mustang M112 with FMIC. ( 15psi )

Both these will be on STOCK engines.

Whipple on the Aristo ( But I may just install on SilV8 first to see what It can pull ) As this car is to be in Zoom.

M112 on the SilV8 then my Soarer.

So both these setups will be tested on 2 to 3 alternate vehicles.

Both the SilV8 and my Soarer have Adaptronic ECU's..The Aristo will more than likely get one as well.

I am aiming to crack the 10 second bracket with Stock Engine and Stock Trans.
( Trans only has Shift Kit and 2,800 stally )

Oh,,I wont be doing Shootout Mode.
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 10:34 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:12 pm:

Tapo is getting a Bullet made Manifold now I think ?
( Please correct me if I am wrong )
To run a Twin Screw..



Not sure Neil, he doesn't want a bonnet bulge so options are relatively limited.

If it were up to me it would be a 5.0L whipple twin screw, twin throttle bodies, W2A intercooling and upgraded fuel system with a 1.5-1.8:1 pulley for 20psi+.

Try fitting that into a 32' engine bay without modifying the bonnet, i don't think it can be done because of the physical size of the charger and w2a setup + twin throttles. If you have any, im sure Peter is open to suggestions.

Otherwise i take up your offer so get to work :-)
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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 10:44 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:12 pm:

Oh,,I wont be doing Shootout Mode.



Shootout made little to no difference. 211 wasn't the highest number it made anyway, its the number that was settled for. With 7 degree's less advance it made 204rwkw, with 3 degree's more it made 212.5rwkw or so.

AFRs are spot on where we want them so its just something maxing out, 99% certain its the blower and the standard throttle body starting to become a restriction.

I think, even with a MOTEC running $5000 of options the result would have been exactly the same.
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Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 01:06 pm, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A 3.3 lt whipple will not go under the bonnet
on a 31 soarer so i recon there isn't a hope in hell of a 5lt one going under.
Been there done that
the 3.3 lty sits about 25-35mm higher than a 2.3
and is close to 50mm longer (some thing like that)
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this pic is Pauls one
Now the pulley is to suit 8psi and the ribs in the bonnett had to be cut away
and the crank pulley had to be resized
with a standard crank pulley it will produce 12psi
using the same top pulley.
this is a 2.3ltr charger.
at the front of the charger(not the pulley) you have about 20mm clearance before the bonnet hits
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Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 01:28 pm, by:  Mick Mielczarek (Eta04) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i ran 7 psi and got 260 rwkw
using vortec supercharger and 8 throttle body injection
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 01:58 am, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You'll find the Vortec centri. designs are much better for peak figures in comparison to oldschool M90's. 8 throttle body injection will have helped topend again because invariably - your intake runners are going to be shorter.

Wait until the twinscrew setup is done, then we'll compare random numbers :-)
Damian Ware
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:49 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mick, where is the proof of your power figures.

You have made great claims of your install and huge power figures but you have never back it up with one dyno chart.

You did say you would send me dyno charts via email four times yet you never did nor have you posted them here.
Gianni Matrogiannis
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 04:41 pm, by:  Gianni Matrogiannis (Gianni) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

take it easy damian. do sense some competition here
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 07:08 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct.... Show the proof! We can all bull5hit under the sun but at the end of the day, dyno sheets and quarter mile times are proof of the pudding :-)
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 07:30 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is my sheet, done today.

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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 07:56 pm, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JAN;
Well done mate that is a fantastic result
Glad to finaly see one from your car.
champion effort
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:03 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice AFR :-)

Gotta love stand alone management
Damian Ware
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:09 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very smooth power curve Jan, lots of grunt up top.

What boost level was that?

Gianni, Mick has some great looking gear. From the photos it appears to be manufactured to a very high quality but I am yet to see a dyno chart or quarter mile time to back up the power figures.

Where as for other kits I have seen several dyno charts and a quarter mile time to back them up.
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:09 pm, by:  Gianni Matrogiannis (Gianni) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here is the thing, mine made 268rwkws with a vortech v2 s trim on 10 psi, thats with the standard intake, im sure with the 8 throttle body intake even with less boost 260rwkws is achievable. i have read that the intake manifold on the v8s is a major restriction.

now mine ran almost a 117mph on a very humid and hot day, so as you can see the power is there. the main reason why i am defending mike is because i have seen this happen too many times on this forum. people are stuck on the fact that positive displacement superchargers are the only way to go with these cars and anyone who takes a different path is shot down (including myself). Simple fact is his setup has the potential to make the power he has quoted and possibly more, so take it easy.
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:35 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gianni, IM not doubting Centrifugal Superchargers.. IN fact I never understood why people DONT use them.. Surely they have more potential with intercooling and more options and should make more power which you have proven. But we have seen your results, but not Micks... Lotsa of claims.
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:36 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gianni I'm not saying it isn't possible.

Both positive displacement and centrifugal have low thermal efficiencies with the later being worst (from the manufactures specs I have seen). Centrifugal is typically much easier to intercool and easy to fabricate and install in most applications.

Positive displacement blowers are great for street driven and particularly heavy vehicles as they add loads of torque where they needs it.

This is even more so with a UZZ32 with not only considerable weight but the added load of the suspension pump.

For anyone contemplating performance upgrades such as a supercharger it is important to look at all the options available and review the performance results, level of modification required, method of install, effect on reliability, what supporting modifications are required ie drive line aftermarket ECUs and the total cost.

The difference is in the details and it is up to each individuals needs to pick the correct set up.

As I understand it Mick is selling the ITBs and Vortec kits. It certainly wouldn't hurt for him to back up his claims with dyno charts to any potential customers that might show interest. Wouldn't you agree?
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:52 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the boost level is 9psi.
Lew you will see the car next week.
The AFR is not equal from left to right side, as you can see.
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Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 09:38 pm, by:  Gianni Matrogiannis (Gianni) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe i jumped the gun, i you guys want dyno sheets because mike is selling a kit, well thats fair enough. i guess i have become jumpy after the crap i recieved about my choise of supercharger.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 08:21 am, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gianni;
I think this all did start as give us some figures on paper(dyno sheet) that will back up what you (mike) are stating.
which would be good i would like to see them as well.
But as a sales side of thing it would be the most important thing to have is dyno results on paper to prove exactly what you are selling.
Some people are great at talking up figures
But when people are about to hand over 1000's of dollars thay want to SEE what thay are paying for.
as in Product and proof that product will do exactly what the seller is stating.
I did the same at the start with the dump pipes i make i had proof that thay did what i stated .
God only knows what i have done with the results now days.
But i have made close to 100 sets of dumps for the twin turbos so now the results talk for them self.
get some dyno figures up and that will stop the sceptics.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:48 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:35 pm:

Gianni, IM not doubting Centrifugal Superchargers.. IN fact I never understood why people DONT use them.. Surely they have more potential with intercooling and more options and should make more power which you have proven. But we have seen your results, but not Micks... Lotsa of claims.




Gah, i have already explained this one. Poor area under the curve.
Boost rises as a square of the impeller speed on a centrifugal. Which means you will achieve 1/2 max boost at 3/4 of max engine speed and full boost at only full engine speed.
This makes them produce good peak numbers but not always perform the best.
i.e. if you had a race between say a whipple blown car and a centrifugal blown car producing the same peak hp numbers, the whipple would kick the out of the centrifugal by a big margin.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 04:42 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steven, Well Gianni is the only Blown v8 Well into the 12's. IN fact Probably 11's with some decent rubber and trapping 117-118mph in a full weight soarer... I know which i would rather.. A Whipple running mid 13's or centrifugal running low 12's...

Totally the centrifugal would be my choice.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 07:04 pm, by:  Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm with daniel on this one..

I've read all the posts about which type of SC is better and in theory yes the centrifugal has some disadvantages.

But like Daniel says, George's (Gianni) is the only one i have seen in the low 12's with that kind of MPH and it's pretty much the cheapest and easiest to install and inter-cool...

When you are into it, the revs are high, and that's where the centrifugal works and makes all of it's nice cold boost.

Any chance you kept the time slip George?

I don't really care what people claim as power figures, it's ET and MPH that count in my books. That it was done in street trim and with lots of fuel only makes it better :-)
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 07:28 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Again Gianni, Jan and Brett have done a great job to achieve those figures.

A vortec would probably be a similar or cheaper cost than a M90 set up which is not capable of the same peak power figures and is difficult to intercool. This certainly makes a centri attractive.

For my purposes I think the extra torque is the way to go but the vortec is certainly not a bad set up and it is suited to owners that enjoy a rev happy motor chasing higher peak HP figures.

Now an intercooled whipple..........
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 08:29 pm, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just bolt 2 turbos on it and be done with all this :-) hehehe just had to have my 2 cents.
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Friday, February 01, 2008 - 08:54 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damian makes a Great point...

KNow your goals and install the package to suit them.. Not INstall A package and complain if it doesnt yeild results which you may have expected and were out of the ball park :-)

Same with the TT's... Lotsa guys spend big biccies only to be crushed in the long run due to incorrectly balanced installations .

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