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Adam Smith
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 07:02 am, by:  Adam Smith (Adman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boy you guys get worked up quick do you ;-)

Not downplaying the importance of obviously spending every spare minute on the forum to get those posts up.... who really gives a toss

There are guys (I can name 1 in particular who has a mechanical engineering background, had soarers for years, worked on almost every facet of the cars, and loves them with a passion) who just sits and reads occasionally out of interest to keep up to date, but have very low post counts....

God this whole thing is like the 'my doodle is bigger than yours' argument... at the end of the day, remember... WE ARE ALL BIGGER THAN PERRY
Perry Morgan
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 07:41 am, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Until you wake up. And if I was that small, then why all the screaming and carrying on b1tch?
Adam Smith
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 08:15 am, by:  Adam Smith (Adman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it.... Perry paying full retail for something..??
Shane McInnes
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 09:46 am, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jan Christiansson wrote on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:39 pm:

How can I proof that I have an LSD. My plate doesn't say that, but I know I have an LSD, because I have put it in.




Im pretty sure you can check if its fitted with a LSD when your car is on a hoist, For example you go to the rear of the car and with your hand spin the left tyre, if the right tyre spins aswell that should mean you have a LSD if the right tyre doesnt spin then you dont have a LSD.

I could be wrong though, i remember reading that somewhere on the Soarerclub.

Or just go out and do a burnout and see if it leaves 2 black marks :-)
Jeff Wilkins
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:43 am, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually Shane, a non-lsd far side wheel will spin as well, just in the opposite direction (if nobody is holding it still of course).
Dan McColl
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:55 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Except on a Torsen (the factory LSD for soarers) Unless there is torque on the input shaft, and load on both wheels, they will act like an open diff.
Shane McInnes
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 12:22 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So best do a burnout then?
Jan Christiansson
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 01:15 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It leaves two black marks on the road at every lights I have to stop for and when I put in the second gear and sometimes the third as well.
Peter Nitschke
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 01:18 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An open diff can do that too though, if traction at each wheel is roughly equal - as it is on a dry road. That is why you need to have one wheel on slippery stuff and the other on grippy stuff to really test it.

Sounds like you have a lot of fun though. :-)
Steven Nanevski
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 05:24 pm, by:  Steven Nanevski (Imprestik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

If you had bothered to search, you would know the answer to this.




Yeah I did, hence my answer, just for the record...
Dan McColl
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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 05:39 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It just seemed more of a query than a statement, that's all.
Aaron Mead
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Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 03:42 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hehem me and grease monkey were having this argument with my soarer up on the hoist. Spin the back wheel, the other goes backwards, just like on an open wheeler. He still reckons its not LSD.....
Jeff Wilkins
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Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 11:49 pm, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dan McColl wrote on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:55 am:

Except on a Torsen (the factory LSD for soarers) Unless there is torque on the input shaft, and load on both wheels, they will act like an open diff.




Its for that reason that I dont want a torsen.
David Vaughan
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 06:59 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



So, on what do you think you are gaining without one, or missing out if you had one?
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 10:27 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Knowing Jeff, it means he wants a diff that will still drive even if one wheel is in the air. :-)
Jeff Wilkins
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 10:31 am, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well David, in most cases a Torsen would be a great improvement over my craptastic open diff. However, having low, tight coilovers I often find myself with one rear wheel off the ground (remembering that aftermarket coilovers dont drop to the same degree standard suspension does) while driving around our terrible roads here in SA.

Ive had to push the girl out of a spoon drain twice now.

A Torsen wouldn't alleviate this problem, only a 'traditional' style LSD would help.
Dan McColl
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 10:47 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A Torsen 2 would fix it, as they have some pre-load built in.

You can also manually pre-load a T1 using the brakes or handbrake lightly to get you out of that kind of situation.
Jeff Wilkins
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 12:25 pm, by:  Jeff Wilkins (Calin) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wasn't aware that the T2s had pre-load built in, thats definitely a consideration.

As for driving with one wheel in the air (or two as the case may be), theres only one corner near me that causes that, and only at +85 kmh (Halsey Rd, Mn North Rd junction). Big rough patch in the middle which makes the corner quite 'interesting'.
Leon Wright
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 12:30 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thought the T1's had a habit of snapping if one of the wheels left the road under acceleration?
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 01:00 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeff, you need the first ever Soarer 4WD conversion
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 07:49 pm, by:  Earl Digby (Dukezone) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 01:00 pm:

Jeff, you need the first ever Soarer 4WD conversion




...or you can just go get a Lada Niva they have a diff lock and at least you can still take it fishing [har de har]...
Phil Gibson
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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 11:24 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

T1's usually only seem to break under high shock loads eg high rpm clutch dumps
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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 04:46 pm, by:  Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I broke a LSD T1 i believe the bad axle tramp at the time help break it.
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:44 am, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane McInnes wrote on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 09:46 am:

Im pretty sure you can check if its fitted with a LSD when your car is on a hoist, For example you go to the rear of the car and with your hand spin the left tyre, if the right tyre spins aswell that should mean you have a LSD if the right tyre doesnt spin then you dont have a LSD.

..............

Or just go out and do a burnout and see if it leaves 2 black marks :-)




Burnout wont be a definative answer (but will be fun anyways)...

If you jack up both rear wheels off the ground and turn one, the other side will turn. If the otherside turns the same direction as the one your turning, then it's LSD, if the other side turns the other way, it's open wheeler.

I decided one afternoon (after having a rather large argument with the better half) and always wondering if the car was LSD fitted (aftermarket) or not, to line-lock out of the driveway as I left for the afternoon.

Anyway, coming back to the apartments, I found 2 massive black lines leaving the carpark, so I thought it must have been LSD fitted.

Now, when I was at a friends place up the coast on a farm, he decided to run a small burnout comp, and with a monsterous amount of 40%+ spare tires he had on rims, we decided to jack up and toast some rubber. I struggled to do anything but 1 wheeler smoke-shows all afternoon, which confirmed beyond a doubt that I still had my stock A-version Diff installed, not the Torsen LSD version diff which I want.

I will upgrade to an LSD at some point, but just thought I would say burnouts are not the most definative way to test for open wheel vs Limited Slip.

(Disclaimer: All burnouts I have admitted to above had NOT been on public roads, nor have they posed a safety risk to anyone else but myself and my own property, I dont advise ever doing anything illegal on a public road which could either get yourself or anyone else hurt or injured).

B.
Steven Anderson
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 06:50 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brian Timms wrote on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:44 am:

If you jack up both rear wheels off the ground and turn one, the other side will turn. If the otherside turns the same direction as the one your turning, then it's LSD, if the other side turns the other way, it's open wheeler.




as said above, this does not apply for torsen LSD's.
T1 torsens work by multiplying the torque from the spinning wheel to the one with grip, no torque from the spinning wheel = no torque going to the non spinning one.


------- To find out if you have a Torsen LSD -------
- Jack the car up so that both rear wheels are off the ground.
- Lightly apply the handbrake
- Start the car and put it in 1st, slowest speed possible
1 wheel spins - Open diff
both spin with one at about 1/2-1/3 the rate of the other - torsen
both spin at the same rate - clutch type LSD

and please be careful when doing this.


None of this should be needed at all tho. Simply nail it at very low speed around a tight bend in the wet and you will find out soon enough, if all you get is noise and revs then its an open diff. If you get an armfull of opposite lock then its an LSD.
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 07:31 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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