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Carl Johnson
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93 LTD 1UZFE UZZ31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 08:15 am, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey all, have made the pilrimage from the Sunshine Coast down to CNJ Motorsport in Underwood (South Bris) this morning to get a Dyno retune done to enhance recent upgrades.

Considering there is no air being forced into the engine (as the car is not actually moving) is there an accepted allowance that people add on top of the Dyno result to gauge the actual rwkw of the car (vs...say a TT!?)whilst it is in "normal" road driving conditions?
Justin Cook
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JZZ30 TT

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:17 am, by:  Justin Cook (Justin) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They usually have a really big fan that sits in front of the car on the dyno.

If they didn't, I don't think moving air or forced air from moving, would make that much of a difference. Maybe to temp....
Carl Johnson
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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:46 am, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agh, ok I'm actually sitting here now (wireless internet is the ducks nuts) watching them do it. I notice they do indeed have a big arse fan but havent switched it on as yet.
Justin Cook
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JZZ30 TT

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:06 pm, by:  Justin Cook (Justin) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hehehe, yeah the software actually turns the fan on...its pretty cool :-)

So come on....what did you get?

V8 POWER :-) <-- this is a good thing, I am not bagging them like other TT owners :-)
Andrew Ferres
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WA
Cressida V8

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:28 pm, by:  Andrew Ferres (Peewee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Software usually turns the fans on when the rollers move, but there is an override.

I wouldn't worry about adding anything, ram air is only work a kW or 2, and you really need to be doing 100kph+, and have a direct forward duct.


Aparrently F1 cars produce about 1psi of ram air, but this is at 300+kph, with a 'huge' direct forward facing scoop.
Brett Moloney
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V8

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:39 pm, by:  Brett Moloney (Lxsv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Carlos did CNJ install the Unichip for you?
Miles Baker
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Vic
V8

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:49 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Carl Johnson wrote on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 08:15 am:

is there an accepted allowance that people add on top of the Dyno result to gauge the actual rwkw of the car (vs...say a TT!?)whilst it is in "normal" road driving conditions?



no. you get what it says on the piece of paper.
Avin Luther
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Soarer V8 uzz31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 01:15 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

but you have to take away 3 rwkw's for each of the folowing
shopping list, GT wing, Dice, Neons, LED washer jets, as these do make your car faster while standing still and are as such an unfair advantage to the rest of us.

So what did you get?
Carl Johnson
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93 LTD 1UZFE UZZ31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 08:49 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool piss takes Guys, but I'm sure you can all do better!? What do you expect from a white collar guy with no idea about cars? I've had my car for 7yrs but have only just started playing round with it in the last 18 months.

No the UniChip was installed by Croydon Motor Sports (Sydney) where I used to live........however for any N/A V8 owner thinking of putting one in I'd say go right ahead you wont be disappointed but do the intake/exhust etc etc first or it wont count for

Still working out how to drive this excellent forum of yours or would attach a screenshot of the result but it was................................................................................................. .......wait for it.............................
Carl Johnson
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93 LTD 1UZFE UZZ31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:15 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe I should have said when I started the thread. I have forward ducting from centre grill & under driverside headlight (bit like like the BFI 3 from what I can tell) to an "Ingen Tech" short ram cold air induction kit. I understand this provides positive forced air pressure to the (regulated by the sensor of coarse) air filter then on to the engine. The reason I asked the question in the first place is probably like everyone else out there my car is significantly more responsive when its a cold night & when from rolling start. I just wondered what kind of benifit I may have been getting from the "Ram" as clearly cold air is benificial......guess none huh!?

173.1 rwkw on BP 98RON, air temperature (according to the car was 33 degrees when it was done)......pretty pissy next to the TT boys results I've seen. How do I stack up next to the ave N/A 1UZFE? The Croydon guys told me having 285's on the back of the car was also dragging rwkw down.....personally I can live with it as it looks cool & handles fine with fats. Is it true though?
Carl Johnson
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93 LTD 1UZFE UZZ31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:22 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alvin.
Check.....No GT wing, No Dice, No Neons, No LED washer jets NO FAT GIRLFRIEND IN PASSENGER SEAT.
Cihan Aday
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Victoria
JZZ30 Twin Turbo

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:12 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Carl, thats a very high result, probably the highest i've seen from an NA 1UZFE.
Simon Triantafillou
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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:30 pm, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Benny Gammelmark is pumping out some serious numbers without forced induction from memory. Possibly higher than this figure... hopefully he'll read and verify one way or the other.
Benny Gammelmark
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V8 UZZ31

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:56 pm, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

178 rwkw on two different dyno's.

1996 UZZ31, BFI, Headers, SS exhaust, Racing cats, Unichip.
Chris Davey
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Corona

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 11:14 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A guy on toymods has 180rwkw NA 1uzfe but his is manual.
Carl Johnson
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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 11:23 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Simon, very nice photo in your profile......are they 19's with 30 series on em? What is the make etc etc I LIKE the look of those wheels!
Carl Johnson
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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 11:25 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris
mine is manual as well! W58 mate!
Carl Johnson
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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 11:29 pm, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Benny

hat of to ya mate,....Drats! The ol beaten by a 1996 trick.
Wonder where the extra 5rwkw you have is coming from (I have Neils headers as well) racing cats etc etc much similar to yours. Does the 96 have VVTi?
Morgan Cross
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Soarer TT

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 11:54 pm, by:  Morgan Cross (Morgan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The 5rwkw is coming the the dyno he did it on, they are all different and some are easier than others to pull high numbers.
Carl Johnson
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93 LTD UZZ31 Manual V8

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Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 12:00 am, by:  Carl Johnson (Carlos) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Be that as it may, Benny got the figure on two different Dyno's. So, when did VVTi appear in the Soarer anyway?

Anyone???

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