Last x Days Posts  1 | 3 | 7 Days  Search  Topics  Tree View  Help
  Soarer Central * Mechanical - Common * 1jzgte into ef falcon Previous Previous    Next Next  

Author Message
Isaac French
Newbie
tasmania
fairmont

Posts: 1
Reg: 04-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 02:54 pm, by:  Isaac French (Tuff_mont) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does anyone know of any body putting a 1jzgte engine and box into an ef or other e-series falcons??
thinking of doing this as will be good for a laugh and be a good project..........
any help would be greatly appreciated???
just doing all the home work first to be sure it wont be to bad or hard to do.....
Brett Jones
Tinkerer
NSW
TT

Posts: 93
Reg: 01-2007

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 03:07 pm, by:  Brett Jones (Brett_jones) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Isaac French wrote on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 02:54 pm:

good for a laugh


A lot of work for a laugh!
Isaac French
Newbie
tasmania
fairmont

Posts: 2
Reg: 04-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 04:22 pm, by:  Isaac French (Tuff_mont) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A lot of work for a laugh!

why a lot of work can`t be that bad to do???
Trevor Neilson
Tinkerer
tauranga
v8

Posts: 42
Reg: 03-2007

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:35 pm, by:  Trevor Neilson (Anarot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and a lot of money laugh.
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual

Posts: 681
Reg: 04-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:58 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having watched a few guys attempt transplants, the first hurdle to overcome is physical limitations. I assume the falcon bay is plenty big enough.

The second with most 'modern' engines is getting the electronics to run( especially with an auto box, dash, fuel computer etc). The Soarer was an complicated design with all the bells and whistles, but all the electronics required to tie it all together. You could try transferring the dash and complete harness across from a front cut.

The third thing is cost. Double your worst case spend to cover the little( and big) unforseen things.

Might be interesting if you go ahead with it though. I remember when guys started with rotary geminis, hemi powerred HQs, and Hi-tech torana transplants. The traditionalists screamed blue murder. Fun to watch actually.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

Posts: 3281
Reg: 03-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:12 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why bother.... Just Bolt a turbo onto the side of the 4.0L and go from there! WIth stock compression you should be able to run a Gt30/40 series up to 8 maybe 10psi. Just grab a turbo from a BA xr6T second hand and get a manifold...
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

Posts: 3908
Reg: 09-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:51 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why is Mr Lipman the only person who isnt so negative?

Bloody ricers these days! Cant Isaac do it for the sake of being different? =P

I dare say if the will and know-how is there its possible to do it.
You could even try a 2jz for a little extra oomph.
Isaac French
Newbie
tasmania
fairmont

Posts: 3
Reg: 04-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:53 pm, by:  Isaac French (Tuff_mont) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its going to cost me around $5500 for a turbo kit for the falcon where i can get an engine,gearbox,loom,ecu
and most other stuff i need for around $3500.......
thought you toyota guys might like to see a decent engine going to a old chook tin??????????
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

Posts: 3283
Reg: 03-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 08:11 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But you cant beat Cubes for torque :-) I used to own a modded 4.0L and it was so torquey!
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual

Posts: 684
Reg: 04-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:55 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Callum. There's no risk involved when you just sh!tcan everyone else's ideas. Nah seriously I reckon they may just want to save the man some cash, and a headache and it just comes across as negativity.

Isaac- Mate I completely understand the desire to do things differently, and DIY. Just be careful that you don't end up with less grunt and more headaches than the turbo kit.

The turbo kit has probably been designed specifically for your application, and the five grand is probably the total figure less tuning. $3500 for the JZ motor is only the beginning. Do you want to engineer it for the road? There's $500-$1500 just there alone even if the engineer is completely happy.

If you are really committed then do some reading up on conversions in general, and maybe read the threads about Lew's 'JZ into van' conversion, or some of the cressidas running JZs.
Isaac French
Newbie
tasmania
fairmont

Posts: 4
Reg: 04-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, April 11, 2008 - 09:28 am, by:  Isaac French (Tuff_mont) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks guys for the insight into what some people think i am still doing a lot of reading about this.
as i said i`m just all the info finding to see whether it`s worth doing or not


thanks isaac
Graham Dollisson
Goo Roo
QLD
GTTL , Morris Marina, P76 V8 Super, P76 6cyl Deluxe

Posts: 1258
Reg: 07-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:12 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A friend of mine has a 1JZ in a Leyland P76. Not for a laugh either. He just wanted to try something a bit different than the normal bigger V8 option. It runs a wolf ecu. It goes pretty well also, considering it probably would weigh in at around 1300kgs.
Adrain Parsons
DieHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt

Posts: 678
Reg: 08-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:14 pm, by:  Adrain Parsons (Ace1975) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why not the v8? a guy i know has done the v8 into a falcon wagon.

Upload

Upload
Ben Lipman
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT manual

Posts: 689
Reg: 04-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:52 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anyone know the weights of the stock falcon six and eight engines versus the 1JZ and 1UZ? The 1UZ into a falcon (ex v8 type - all the gear is already there to support it) sounds interesting.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

Posts: 3315
Reg: 03-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 11:47 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally i wouldnt bother with the 1uz swap...

I would just get a built 4.0L ( ef - el motor) from Jim Mock Motorsports in Vic.. They design a stage 5 pacxkage that makes 180-190rwkw and makes a bucket load of torque...

Otherwise, you could speak to Rob Herrod @ Herrod Motorpsorts and speak to him about Cam selections. I used one of his grinds in my old 3.9L and it ran a 14.0 @ the old Eastern Creek track many years ago.
Michael Keen
DieHard
nsw
soarer tt

Posts: 521
Reg: 10-2007

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, May 09, 2008 - 06:03 am, by:  Michael Keen (Spoilt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mate dont listen to all them people i say go for it, i have seen 1j's in vr's etc but not a ford,
i woul say about 7000-8000 to get it all on road etc, providing you cna do most of the work

.

Daniel Clarke wrote on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 11:47 pm:

They design a stage 5 pacxkage that makes 180-190rwkw and makes a bucket load of torque...



ahha we get that on a stock soarer at the wheels ehhe why bother :-)
Dave Billings
Goo Roo
Louisiana
SC 300, 2JZE, 5 Speed

Posts: 1466
Reg: 06-2007

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, May 09, 2008 - 06:13 am, by:  Dave Billings (Waveman1717) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Michael Keen wrote on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 06:03 am:

i woul say about 7000-8000 to get it all on road


Why not buy another Soarer?
Matt Petersen
Tinkerer
NA
V8

Posts: 52
Reg: 01-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, May 09, 2008 - 06:32 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would look at capa.com.au and get a supercharger kit to go on the stock 4L. That would get you more power than a 1JZ conversion for similar money.

The Falcon's are a bit heavy car and require good torque to make them perform. Before my Soarer I had a 2005 XR6 which has the same power figures as the Soarer but doesn't go anywhere near as hard.

Matt.
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

Posts: 3414
Reg: 03-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Friday, May 09, 2008 - 08:29 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Michael Keen wrote on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 06:03 am:

ahha we get that on a stock soarer at the wheels ehhe why bother




We might get 160 stock... But no where near the Torque.!!!

And yeah, Just buy a bloody Soarer! Can get them for up to 7K in stock form.
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31

Posts: 87
Reg: 03-2008

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 12:13 pm, by:  Lachie Bryce (Caboose) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you're going to do a conversion, make sure you have the time for it as well as the money, you dont wanna buy all these parts and have them sitting in your shed for 2 years, tinkering on it every now and then.

but if you do have time and funds go for it, i know in the not so distant future of 2009 i'll be having a play with building an RB30 (i think it is) engine to throw into my mates GTST skyline or sell off to some shmuck.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Soarer Limited UZZ31 V8

Posts: 3129
Reg: 11-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 07:23 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:12 pm:

Why bother.... Just Bolt a turbo onto the side of the 4.0L and go from there! WIth stock compression you should be able to run a Gt30/40 series up to 8 maybe 10psi. Just grab a turbo from a BA xr6T second hand and get a manifold...




I agree.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

Posts: 10353
Reg: 11-2004

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 03:03 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Severe thread lag alert!
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Soarer Limited UZZ31 V8

Posts: 3142
Reg: 11-2005

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 07:00 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh my, I didn't even see that!

Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

Posts: 4465
Reg: 03-2006

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 07:21 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MIke is stalking my threads,hahahaha!!!

Add Your Message Here
Eye Candy
Click for full size
Bold text Italics Underline Center Text Upload photo from your hard drive Make a List Make a Table Make an Image Thumbnail Create a hyperlink Insert a clipart image Formatting Help
         

Username: Important Posting Information:
If asking a question, have you done a search to see if your question has already been answered?
Be aware that the use of SMS-speak eg "u" instead of "you" etc, will get your post deleted.
Password:
Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message

  Administration Administration      Log Out Log Out Previous Previous      Next Next