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Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 242 Reg: 05-2007
| Wondering what this noise is. Occasionally my Soarer has developed a 'bark' 'grind' from the starter motor kinda like the sound you get if while you have the car running you turn the key fully on as if to start the car. Sounds like its coming from there anyway on start up. It doesn't always do it, but it's concerning that all of a sudden this has happened. Any help would be most appreciated. JO |
Charlie Ters
TryHard nsw TT gone single
Posts: 280 Reg: 01-2007
| i am no help, but mine does that on some starts, where you hear a grinding noise as the car starts up (like rattling gears for like 1.5 seconds)... im pretty sure its starter motor orientated but... (im keeping an eye out for this, the second it becomes servre, then ill act ) |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9240 Reg: 11-2004
| The starter motor gear might not be disengaging properly from the ring gear? |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 243 Reg: 05-2007
| I thought maybe the same Peter but the sound is before the car 'starts' not after it's going. If you try to start the car it will make this noise momentarily...turn the key back in to off position...try n start again...starts normal with no noise. hmmm.... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9241 Reg: 11-2004
| Similar then, the starter isn't throwing the gear out properly to engage with the ring gear. Either way, it could get more costly to fix if left to chew the ring gear. |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 244 Reg: 05-2007
| ...ah...ouch Better look into it asap then. Damn just did front tyres and a power steering pump...what next lol |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1174 Reg: 12-2006
| Peter has hit it on the head. The starter motor has a spring in it, when you fire the motor, it springs the cog into the fly-wheel and it turns with the power of the motor. If the spring is worn or gives up, then the cog moves purely on the spinning force of the starter motor, if it misses the flywheel, it grinds. Time for a rebuild or new motor... B. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 9251 Reg: 11-2004
| Long time since I looked at a starter motor, but I thought the solenoid also threw the cog out and the spring pulled the cog back when the starter disengages? |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1175 Reg: 12-2006
| probably, I didn't bother looking when I replced my starter, just bought a new one.... BTW, I have car parts for sale (hint hint, starter motor works fine). B. |
Matt Petersen
Tinkerer NA V8
Posts: 50 Reg: 01-2008
| After having replaced a couple of 1UZ starters I would never put a second hand starter in. The time to remove and refit will exceed the cost of rebuilding the starter. I got all the bits to fully rebuild the starter including a new pinion clutch for around $100NZ. The gear reduction starters are very easy to pull apart and rebuild. Matt. |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 245 Reg: 05-2007
| Thanks for the advice guys. Will start looking into getting a new starter motor. |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1176 Reg: 12-2006
| Hmm, not sure with Uz, but the 1JZ is fairly easy to do, 4 bolts and 30 minutes My current Starter has been on my car 5,900kms since a complete rebuild |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 246 Reg: 05-2007
| Brian if only it was that easy with the V8 mate. Got 18 pages of repair manual that I'm perusing right now that basically says it's not...sits in the valley between the cylinder heads. Gotta pull everything off to get at it. I'm guessing a 5 hour job if everything goes right. Have to order a fair few gaskets too so trying to work out how to track down the right ones. |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 247 Reg: 05-2007
| ...and further to this situation some help = http://www.lextreme.com/starter.html Ok, dreading what Toyota may charge me for a starter motor (after I check that my battery has the correct voltage) does any one know of any after market starters out there that are a direct replacement for an OEM one? Have read on a post one here that one of us was quoted $900 for one Will call Castle Hill but would prefer and after market one. After all if it does the same job why pay more. |
Matt Petersen
Tinkerer NA V8
Posts: 51 Reg: 01-2008
| Joshua if you are going to check your battery voltage you need to do so whilst cranking the vehicle or with a big load on the battery. Don't bother with a new starter, just get your one rebuilt. It's about 3 hours to tear the top of the motor down then a couple of hours to put it back together. Regarding gaskets, the only thing I would look to replace is the injector seals. Everything else can be reused. Make sure you plug the intake holes in the heads as soon as you remove the intake to ensure nothing falls into it.... Matt. |
Michael Keen
DieHard nsw soarer tt
Posts: 520 Reg: 10-2007
| you starter has two coils in the soilenoid, a pul in coil and a hold in coil, the pull in is which puts the pinion to ring gear, all the spring does it keep it in conntact until it get lined properly and then it pops in and the hold in coil is what keeps in there while cranking cheers. |
Joshua Olm
TryHard Queensland V8 GT LTD UZZ31
Posts: 248 Reg: 05-2007
| awesome stuff guys really appreciate the input! |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1196 Reg: 12-2006
| Wow god damn the V8's have another downside, that sucks. I replaced my starter motor a few months ago with a freshly rebuilt unit, cranks like it's on steroids now... Replacement in the TT's was basically D/C battery (important one here), then clip the cables off, remove the powerfeed cable, then undo 2 bolts, slide old starter out, slide new starter in, and do up 2 bolts, connect the wires in the same order you d/c them, reconnect the battery, and your done. Having said that, I snapped a Unijoint doing mine, so it was off to super-cheap auto to get a replacement unijoint and a spare unit joint, and also a couple of socket extender bars because it was easier to work from further back. Mine took 2 hours 40 minutes, including swear time, travel time, and browsing time at Supercheap. B. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard nsw soarer TT
Posts: 953 Reg: 01-2008
| How on earth do you get to the top bolt? There is not enough room for a spanner from underneath and I can't even locate the starter from up top. |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1500 Reg: 12-2006
| You use a socket set, a few extension bars, and a Uni-joint, push up along the transmission tunnel, and once you have these, the entire job takes about 10 minutes. Use a Unijoint with the spring around it to keep it straight, otherwise you will be pulling your hair out. B. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard nsw soarer TT
Posts: 955 Reg: 01-2008
| Cheers Brian. I've never heard of a uni joint before, should be pretty easy with one of those. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard nsw soarer TT
Posts: 956 Reg: 01-2008
| ^^^ I should be shot for that, I know what a uni joint is haha. The only problem was that I only have a 1/2 inch set so I guess I better get a 1/4 inch set and it should be quite easy. |
Matt Petersen
DieHard NA V8
Posts: 724 Reg: 01-2008
| I would suggest a 3/8in set as a minimum. The starter bolts can be quite tight, I would be suprised if a 1/4in set would handle the torque especially through a uni joint. Matt. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo Victoria (The Nazi State) Active V8 and the Beast.
Posts: 2442 Reg: 07-2005
| 1/2" fits fine. If you need to buy a uni, I suggest a ball joint instead. Works kinda like a CV joint rather than a uni. Little bit stronger, but heaps smoother at weird angles and tends to stay on the bolt better. I suggest a 600mm extension for your socket with a ball joint on the end.
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Sebastian Grant
DieHard nsw soarer TT
Posts: 960 Reg: 01-2008
| Cheers guys, I have a set of 1/2 inch sidchromes but there is so little room I didn't even bother to try to use the uni joint. I just tried it with the spanners. I'll give it another crack and make a tutorial while I'm at it. |
Richard Crockett
TryHard NSW UZZ30 & UZZ31
Posts: 149 Reg: 07-2005
| Matt -from where did you get the starter motor parts? Got any part numbers etc and did you rebuild it yourself? |
Matt Petersen
DieHard NA V8
Posts: 725 Reg: 01-2008
| I took the starter out and based on the part number on it Repco got me the bearings, brushes, and clutch. Took about an hour to reuild the starter myself. Check the pinion on the clutch if you replace it to make sure the gears are the same.... Make sure you bench test it before reinstalling. Matt. |
Richard Crockett
TryHard NSW UZZ30 & UZZ31
Posts: 150 Reg: 07-2005
| Cheers Matt - currently have a spare on the bench so will go from there. |