Friday, September 25, 2009 - 01:24 pm, by: Miles Baker(Milesb)
If you didn't get so defensive you would see that I am offering a logical explanation for why BMW sent you the instructions they did and possibly why the X5s in question were having problems. All you provided was a "we did this and coincidentally didn't see any more problems" with no proof.
Attacks? You didn't know how to jump start a car properly until told by the factory. That leads me to believe you guys probably did other stuff wrong. I think that's pretty fair. You STILL didn't even find out the real reason why they told you what they told you afterwards. The rest of your post is full of I don't knows and we didn't checks. So my "attack" that was saying you weren't the best informed group is pretty accurate. In any courtroom a witness's qualification can be examined before their expert opinion is taken as evidence. My questioning your qualification is an attack? No. It's pretty obvious my evaluation was correct - that in the whole place none of you seemed to even know how to jump start a car or why. And BMW's first line of tech support ("here is how you connect jumper leads") caught that out. Just like if you call Dell the first thing they ask you is have you got the computer plugged into the wall. So no, you're not qualified to comment on blown ECUs and jump starting methods and that is what my "attack" was to point out.
Attacks? Bull. You put yourself up as some kind of expert, stating what you guessed had happened as fact. I pointed out your lack of qualification and how that invalidates your "facts". Fact is you have no idea what happened to those cars, if anything happened to their ECUs or any other parts, and what caused any of it. You don't even know what you did, how you did it, or why. People see you saying you saw blown ECUs, they expect you did.In reality you took it on MAYBE third hand opinion from people with poor qualification and vested interest.
Friday, September 25, 2009 - 02:09 pm, by: Damian Ware(Frozenpod)
Aiden, Miles comments are very relevant and they are not aggressive just trying to get to the bottom of this.
From an engineering point of view Miles comments explain the standard response from an engineering perspective which IMO Miles comments has hit the nail on the head. " 1. I expect BMW after hearing reports of "blown ECUs" just sent you their standard instructions on how to properly jump start a car. This includes the negative-to-chassis as a safety measure, standard for all cars, as described in my post above. "
I agree 100% everything Miles has said and IMO Aiden, you don't understand what are you talking about and it is exactly this mentality which has started and kept the jump start blow up ECU bull sh!t going.
Miles Baker Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Monday, September 28, 2009 - 06:59 am, by: Aiden Cheese(Chillpen)
Miles you're offering speculation and roumors about why BMW told me something. Words like "I Expect" "Possibly did" and a question which had been already answered in an above post making it irrelevant. The entire post was worthless.
"If you didn't get so defensive" you mean when i tell you "you're probably •••• at your job compared to other people with qualifications similar to yours" what kind of reaction are you going to take? In this instance qualification was irrelevant to the point considering I was asking YOUR opinion based on my experience which i was happy to admit would be wrong (and in fact did) if you just gave a reasonable explination to set the facts straight in my head. Which you did in the first post, and didnt further it since.
"You didn't know how to jump start a car properly until told by the factory." I'm sorry, i bet you didn't know •••• about electrical engineering until you attended lectures, read books and learnt how to. Is it really surprising that I learnt how to jump start a car properly AFTER i was told how to?
"That leads me to believe you guys probably did other stuff wrong." Did we? Is that relevant to this case when i then explained that all we did were jump starts, tyre changes and spare fuel? We were roadside assistance not mechanics. Maybe you're confused here I'll explain that some more, i'm happy to be patient with you if you like, I don't mind telling you in more detail if it helps you learn.
" was saying you weren't the best informed group is pretty accurate" yes but it wasn't relevant to the topic. I wasn't arguing against you. I was even saying I would be happy to learn more, but all you did was continue to hammer on about how •••• i was at my job. (not that I even work there anymore)
"My questioning your qualification is an attack? " I'm sorry, why is my qualification even relevant? I was trying to learn from you. I was asking you questions to learn something, again i think you're confused again. I was asking questions based on your knowledge, if it had something to do with the gunk, and before that, you explained why it was done from the chassis. I'm not sure I need a qualification to ask on a forum "why?".
"So no, you're not qualified to comment on blown ECUs " I seriously think you are very very confused about my questioning here. I was confused because of two reports of different reasons, and asked you a question to get my head around it. Why do you think you needed to degrade my qualification? Why do you think that was relevant or neccessary to prove your point? If you were a unemployed hippie from tasmania who had lived in tree's all your life and hated cars but still could explain it i would have listened to you if you could explain it logically and thoroughly. And to be fair, a hippie wouldn't have gone on about his massivly overqualified opinion...
"You put yourself up as some kind of expert" expert? Dude i just jumpstart cars. I've probably jumpstarted more cars in 12 months then you did in your life (or ever will). A small number went bad, hence WHY i posted. I think if personal experience isn't worth anything, then what is?
Dear damian " you don't understand what are you talking about and it is exactly this mentality which has started and kept the jump start blow up ECU bull sh!t going." What the ••••• you come in and tell me "I don't know what i'm talking about" and all i'm doing is asking questions to become informed? What the hell else would you want me to do? If he was just kind enough to provide the facts, laid out, easily understandable without going on tangents like it was some goddamn cock fight where everyone had laid their bets, then this thread could have not only got a car jumpstarted, but dispelled a roumer, and encouraged my further learning of a car's electrical system.
Instead it got derailed after random and irrelevant attacks. I've never even disagreed with him strongly, I just said that i wasn't convinced, largely i should have furthered that into explaining that i wasn't convinced because he didn't go into much detail.
The final point i want to point out here, is I didn't even do anything wrong in my addition to the thread - all i added in proceedure was put the black earth cable on the chassis which was correct anyway. Only the reason why was faulty. If i just never gave a reason the thread would have been happy. But because the reason was faulty there was an opportunity to correct me, have me learn something about electricity, and everyone to benefit. But no, it didn't go that way because someone had to make sure they were alpha ••••••• male.
Miles Baker Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Monday, September 28, 2009 - 12:01 pm, by: Miles Baker(Milesb)
Get over it.
You don't know squat about any of this and tried to sell a load of unsubstantiated rubbish. I'm not gonna bother to read all that meaningless argumentative tripe. Bottom line, jump starting cars doesn't blow up ECUs and your reasoning was garbage because you're unqualified. I don't care who you worked for, the fact you don't know how to connect jumper leads tells me anything that comes out of your mouth is worthless. I called you on it, as did others, and now you're having a hissy fit.
Grow up and maybe learn something. The first step in learning is admitting you don't know.
Monday, September 28, 2009 - 12:26 pm, by: David Ward(Djwtoyota)
Hey guys, isn't this site for sharing knowledge and helping one another. I really can't for the life of me see what merit there is in bagging one another just because they either don't have the full knowledge or have a difference of opinion. Yes SC is for healthy debate perhaps, but what is to be gained from personal "slanging matches". Why not save your time and energies for postings for benefit of all, happy days, cheers David
Miles Baker Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Monday, September 28, 2009 - 12:35 pm, by: Miles Baker(Milesb)
I didn't bag anyone. I drew to his attention the reasons why he doesn't have the qualification to be making silly claims. If BS isn't called as BS, it spreads to other people. That's why the hobby is so full of people doing stupid stuff to their cars.
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