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Tom Richards
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 04:13 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

keep us all up to date on the outcome!!!!!!!!!!!
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 08:07 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cavitation in the pump due to air or low levels, can do serious damage which a seal kit won't fix.
Lauren Pintaro
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 10:32 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will do Tom :-) will know after the 19th when I get it back from Manta Automotive.

Yes there is definitely cavitation in the pump - the fluid is all bubbly!!!

So that means the mechanics were all correct - it is the pump itself which needs replacing, yes?

The seal kit definitely didn't fix anything!
Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 01:21 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The pump may still be stuffed, but the froth tends to mean air in the fluid. Either it hasn't been bled out properly, or the level is too low, or there is a leak either letting fluid out or air in - or both.

Check the reservoir is full using it's dipstick.

Jack both side of the front so the front wheels are off the ground.

Start engine, and with it idling, turn the steering wheel all the way left, right etc.

Keep an eye on the reservoir and don't let the level drop too far.

Keep doing this until you get no more froth.

If you can get rid of the froth and then it's still noisy, definitely a stuffed pump.
Vinh Bui
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 12:07 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Lauren Pintaro wrote on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 01:01 pm:

I was looking at reconditioning mine but would've cost around $500 just for it to be reconditioned, plus labout at least $200 to re-install it.




Ooft, heavy. The general price for rebuilding a pump (in my experience) is around the $350 mark installed. Any more and you're being taken for a ride. My suggestion would be to find a trusted mechanic and stick with him. Hell, there are people on here from Sydney who drive all the way down to ACT just to get their car serviced by a certain mechanic down that way.
Lauren Pintaro
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 03:02 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Peter,

Did what you suggested - the fluid level remains pretty much just as full, froth virtually disappears and still just as noisy and tight as before!

Sound like a definite nick/leak in the pump itself sucking in air instead of fluid?
Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 05:36 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No froth but noisy = stuffed pump as far as I know. At least it's now confirmed.
Sebastian Grant
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 08:16 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's not confirmed is the condition of the "new" second hand pump. It may be just as bad as the one currently in your car.
Lauren Pintaro
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 08:34 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So looks like was the pump after all.

True Sebastian, but what is confirmed is a 6 month warranty on the pump i've purchased through the wreckers plus full immediate replacement if this second hand one still leaks or is noisy.

:-)
Lauren Pintaro
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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 04:38 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK SO.......

Just picked up my car from Manta Automotive, the pump I got from the wreckers fixed the noisy problem but now when car is doing under 1000 RPMs it completely loses power steering... LOL.

So the wrecker has offered to exchange the pump and fit it himself tomorrow FOR FREE (thankfully).

So fingers crossed tomorrow afternoon will be the end of this bloody annoying power steering saga.

But now I have a list of other things that need to be fixed on the Soarer (GREAT!)

* Auxilliary drive belt (fan belt) replacement rqd
* Cam Belt replacement required
* Intermittent misfire on acceleration needs to be investigated and fixed
* Master cylinder pedal creeps down on low pedal pressure application
* Indicators are flashing too fast (suspected non standard rear lamp units)
* General tune up (change spark plugs etc etc)

Obviously the pedal problem & indicator speed issue are not urgent and can easily wait.

But the cam belt, fan belt & engine misfire all need to be done ASAP. The tune up may as well be done at the same time.

I think I'm about to cry, Steve said all these problems come with the age of the car and it's nothing out of the ordinary but I've already spent 2k fixing up problems on a car I was told had no mechanical probs whatsoever.

To be honest I wish I never bought the car, I'm sick to death of constantly forking out money on it - I haven't and won't be able to enjoy driving it until it's fixed.

Wondering how much this will cost me - Steve from Manta will give me a rough estimate tomorrow.

KILL ME.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 05:29 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was wondering how it was getting on, bummer about the pump.

The cam belt is a BIG job :-(
Miles Baker
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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 05:30 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No power under 1000rpm would basically mean the vanes or shaft or housing in the pump are shot.

I'm not sure what the 4th point means.

For the fifth, buy yourself a couple of packets of the proper bulbs.

Who has told you the timing belt needs replacing and how do they know?
Lauren Pintaro
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SA
V8

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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 06:15 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, hopefully the replacement pump being fitted tomorrow isn't stuffed also.

4th point something about the pedals (both brake and accelerator) when you push them slightly they sort of push themselves further down automatically or something? Not too sure.

The sticker under hood says timing belt was done at 100,000ks. My car is now up to almost 210,000ks. They're supposed to be changed every 100,000ks i'm told.
Miles Baker
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Monday, October 19, 2009 - 07:31 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if I'd be going on stickers alone. Who did you buy the car from? When I did the timing belt I sure as hell didn't put a sticker on there.
Myles Jantzen
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:22 am, by:  Myles Jantzen (Maxx999) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When you do the cam belt make sure you get New water pump, cam seals, Idler bearings, Tensioner, and etc should be close to $1500 but then you will be fine for another 100K.
Myles Jantzen
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:31 am, by:  Myles Jantzen (Maxx999) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By the way if your Cam belt area is noisy and loud, Get it fixed asap! It will make a weird grinding sound and that's the idler bearing on it's way out. Happened to me and then the belt was rubbing and melted and I was up s#^t creek lol But your engine will be safe , Non interference FTW!!
Tom Richards
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 10:52 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if the timing belt was replaced at 100k kms, it does not need replacing now. Recommended is 160k kms, mine had 220 k kms when i replaced it and it was just starting to get the minute cracks in it. Water pump was probally replaced at the same time so i wouldnt worry about it either. sepentine belt is a 2 min job.(its the external belt you can see) Look at it for small cracks starting to appear. If no cracks it is ok.

There is an elec connector on the inside of the chassis rail just below the power steering pump. if it is disconnected, you will have very little power steering at low revs/speeds,(eg parking) but when driving it will feel ok
Gary Redman
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Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:53 am, by:  Gary Redman (Gary) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They can inspect the cam belt by removing the covers and if it isn't showing any signs of cracking I would leave it for a while. Your biggest concern and one that you haven't really acknowledged is your brake pedal creeping down. If you aren't losing any brake fluid then this usually means the mastercylinder is leaking internally and this can be a big dollar exercise. you can try for a second hand one but it took me 3 before I scored one that was OK (you don't want to know what a new one would cost you from Japan)
Tom Richards
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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:39 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi lauren, whats happening? have you had the power steering problem fixxed? what was the problem???
Lauren Pintaro
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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 01:04 pm, by:  Lauren Pintaro (Laurenic33) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Tom,

The power steering was fixed the very next day by the wrecker for free.

He replaced the pump and also fitted some other valves/switches or something (sorry he told me what they were but i forgot lol) that were missing probably because of the first dodgy mechanic from months ago messing around in there.

Steers silently, smoothly and beautiful now!!!! :-)

I haven't looked at any of the other problems on the list given to me by Manta, can't even think about them until I have a job! (Studying atm).

So that's my update :-)
Christian Somerville
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UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 02:02 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

good stuff lauren!

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