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George Lu
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vic
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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 04:23 pm, by:  George Lu (Lux) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i remember seeing somewhere on the internet that someone put in a new 2.4L vvti engine from a camry into a soarer! Along with the new 5 speed camry tran! Is that possible!!!
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8

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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 06:12 pm, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

errrrrhhhh why would you want to!

yuck

may as well stick in the prius hybrid setup and suck balls

now the lexus ISF engine and trans would be lovley

but then again so would the stock 1UZ with 2 snails
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 07:26 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like they should buy a Great Wall Ute.
Ty Mackay
DieHard
WA
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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 07:51 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

might as well attach a turbo to it as well, why bother with all that effort..... why not just buy a half cut vvti turbo soarer engine?...
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 10:48 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol wouldnt it have to be mounted the wrong way as its designed for a fwd car? anywho 5.0l ISF engine mmm
Luke Bell
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 GT-TL Manual

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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 11:16 pm, by:  Luke Bell (Silhouette) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IS-F engine would be very good swap indeed! I had the pleasure of drive one of these recently! wish i could afford one!

As Ali said, the engine was designed for a FWD drive car so it would seem unlikely that the swap has been done. And and FWD trans in a RWD car?
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32

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Friday, October 02, 2009 - 11:26 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trans is the same, at least the 3.0 V6 camry has the same auto trans as the V8 soarer.

As to the engine, custom mounts custom exhaust not all that different to any other engine swap and it will fit in the hole, the finner details (intake wiring ect) might not be worth the effort.

I'm sure there are better choices to start with for an engine swap.
Ali Saeed
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WA
V8 Limited

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Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 01:00 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

engine swaps is useless for soarers, as all 3 engine variants are brilliant..unless you swap in a 2jzgte
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
JZZ31

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Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 05:44 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How can a FWD car have an A340 trans in it? Isn't it entirely the wrong shape for a FWD?

You can't get the three litre Camry in NZ any more, its the 2.4 or the big step up to the Aurion 3.5.
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8

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Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 06:59 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't complain if my soarer went like an aurion! Mid 6's 0-100km/h and mid 14's on the 1/4 about a second faster than my V8 in both cases. Yet it uses 5L/100km less fuel.
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32

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Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 10:05 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know the exact details but the V6 Camry auto is the same as the V8 which is a A341e not the A340 and the A341E is a 1000 times better auto.

A341E
Applications:

1990-2000 Toyota Chaser/Mark II/Cresta 2.5 GT/Tourer V (1JZ-GTE)
1991-1997 Toyota Soarer 4.0L V8
1993-1995 Lexus GS300 3.0L
1990-1994 Lexus LS400 4.0L V8
1990-1995 Toyota Crown Majesta 4.0L V8
1992-1998 Volvo 2.9L I6 (AW30-40LE)

Andrew is the right the new Aurion is awesome performance wise out of the box. But install the new 200killer wasps engine into a soarer and it will be not be as quick.

RWD drive line consumes more power, soarer is also heavier don't get me wrong a fantastic engine but the results wouldn't be as great in a soarer.
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 10:26 am, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A541E

Applications:

* 1994-2001 Camry (V6)

A541E is not the same as an A341E.

Newer models use a "U" series automatic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_U_transmission
Aiden Cheese
Tinkerer
QLD
Soarer jzz30

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Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:38 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Luke Bell wrote on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 11:16 pm:

As Ali said, the engine was designed for a FWD drive car so it would seem unlikely that the swap has been done. And and FWD trans in a RWD car?




Can do anything. I just posted in general about my engine which came from a feroza (all wheel drive, North south mounted) and put into a charade (east west mounted). Required change in mounts and gearbox. Of course a FWD gearbox works completely different to a RWD. you have two places where the driveshafts come from on the FWD, and only one for RWD. You have 3 points for the AWD (one for left and right, one for back to the rear diff).

In other news, a 1.6L 4AG (custom turbo'd) engine will be going into that feroza with a custom bellhousing and slight extensions to the existing mounts. Before you ask - yes its already engineer approved and will be plated before driven on roads :-)
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
4.0GT UZZ30

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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:15 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I find that it's somewhat of a shame the more recent Carmy's / Aurions retained the FWD layout.

Yes it's cheaper, lighter and may be better on gas, but it will never compare to a RWD setup from the performance, control and the actual image of the car. Those 3.5 V6 Aurions are powerful things so on a curly bend if your pushing it, well.. it's not going to be that fun.

Obviously, you can't take it out on the track unless you enjoy understeer around the bends..

But I'm being obtuse, perhaps some of these newer FWD saloons are better than one would normally expect.

Though for me I'd stay with a RWD any day of the week. It's the proven setup.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 06:03 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kinda doesnt matter what you do, once you get to around 200kw FWD just doesn't work that well.
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 11:05 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 06:03 am:

once you get to around 200kw FWD just doesn't work that well




Exactly. That is the practical limit.

That why I've never understood these people that make high powered 300kw FWD cars that once had 100-150kw.
Damian Ware
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Victoria
UZZ32

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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 03:04 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:15 am:

Though for me I'd stay with a RWD any day of the week. It's the proven setup.




So is FWD and only it has only been proven for about 100 years......
George Lu
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v8

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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:12 pm, by:  George Lu (Lux) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i also saw a post, someone put a 4.3 vvti engine in Soarer!!!! I would love to have that!! anyone know who can do it and how much$$$?
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:12 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Meh true. :-)
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 05:05 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

4.3 vvti is a 3uz isnt it?
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 05:14 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes
George Lu
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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 03:16 pm, by:  George Lu (Lux) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, i found this..
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51876/245000.html?1208257494
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 03:24 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That engine is still a 4 litre 1UZ, not the 4.3 litre 3UZ.
George Lu
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v8

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Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 04:08 pm, by:  George Lu (Lux) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know, but that 4.0 1UZ looks 100% same as the newer 4.3 3UZ! I can't tell the difference.

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