Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 02:47 pm, by: Stephen J Coff(Coffee)
Guys, Who out there are using aftermarket cams? What mods are done to your cars and what gains have you got from the cams ? Are they custom grind units or standard of the shelf units ? Has there been any problems with setting it all up and any problems after?
I am asking because i am looking to get a set for my car and looking to see what i am getting myself into. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
I have what he called type 2 cams made by Camtech, I have super charger, Uni-chip, headers, BFI and 2.5" exhaust with strait flue muffler. I gained 5.8Kw at the wheels, cost $1700.
Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 08:27 pm, by: Damian Ware(Frozenpod)
50-100rwkw mate I wish. If there are that kind of gains everyone would be buying V8s and getting cams.
Looking at the V8s in the planet soarer dyno charts gives a better indications. I cant remember the exact details. I think it was peters V8 with cams and a few other mods which gained about 40rwkw.
Thus the cams alone probably only added about 20-30rwkws.
Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 08:47 pm, by: Andrew Ferres(Peewee)
You have to remember, Peter is still running stock intake cams, and he is still running the MAF. I don't know the specs on his exhaust cams, but I'd hazard a guess they are very mild.
Damian Ware wrote on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 08:27 pm:
50-100rwkw mate I wish. If there are that kind of gains everyone would be buying V8s and getting cams.
$2500+ for cams and install $2000+ for stand alone ecu + install + tune ($3000 if you go for Autronic) $2000 for an exhaust/extractors $1500? for shiftkit or $4000+ for manual conversion.
THATS your real reason why people are not going for cams.
Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 08:48 pm, by: Andrew Ferres(Peewee)
Oh, forgot to add, it will be about 2 months before the car is on the road, and then probably another 2 months before I can afford cams. So midyear will we have the results (fingers crossed)
Neil Griffiths Trader NSW I have MORE Soarers than Hayden :-)
Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 11:48 pm, by: Ryan Rankovic(Ryan1j)
where do you get new shims from? an aftermarket performance supplier or something? how about strengthened valve springs? what do you guys do about that?
If you can get out 50-100 kw with other cams, please tell me were and I will order them directly. I was apparently the first one with this company to make cams for a V8 Soarer so maybe they can make a little more gain, but he told me before I ordered mine that it will probably not be more than a 10% gain, in reality 2.87%.
Monday, January 23, 2006 - 05:25 pm, by: Andrew Ferres(Peewee)
I've already mentioned 2 places where you can get cams.
Just don't expect a set of mild cams and a stock ecu to give you huge gains.
Cams are almost worthless without retuning the ecu to suit them.
Once you change cams then the stock MAF will restrict your power. I have no idea how much the stock MAF can flow in NA terms, nor do I have any inclination to find out.
If I get any less than 50rwkw gain from cams I will be binning the 1UZ and dropping in an LS1
Monday, January 23, 2006 - 06:11 pm, by: Avin Luther(Lex_luther)
Andrew Ferres wrote on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 08:47 pm:
$2500+ for cams and install $2000+ for stand alone ecu + install + tune ($3000 if you go for Autronic) $2000 for an exhaust/extractors $1500? for shiftkit or $4000+ for manual conversion.
THATS your real reason why people are not going for cams.
yes but a lot of people fit blowers for about the same money and arent getting 100rwkw extra, so why wouldnt they get cams?
Monday, January 23, 2006 - 06:31 pm, by: Andrew Ferres(Peewee)
Thats a good question, but something you'd have to ask someone who made the choice of a blower. Maybe they didn't realise cams were an option.
As to why the blower guys aren't making 100rwkw more heres a few reasons. They are still using the stock cams, they only run 5-6psi, they are are still using the stock ecu (a couple have had a mild retune).
Also a blower doesn't reduce the 'feeling' of the car. Its still refined, still smooth to drive at all rpm.
Cams however, will change the way the motor behaves, and at times make the car less like a Soarer, not as nice to drive.
A blower also adds a bootload more torque. Cams will not do this.
Ok, just do it, don't just talk about it, and prove it for us. I have spent around $15000 to get more kw, ok I have more than most people but not that much more. I also would like to have a car to drive on the street, without any problem.
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