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Adam Foster
TryHard
SA
SC400 Limited GT

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 08:02 pm, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i know this cars a piece of crap but here it goes and also know this is a soarer website.

we got a vs commodore that had a miss in it. now we orginally thought it was one of the coil packs so we replaced them and we tested them all and they all sparked. now the car is missing and carrying on and is dropping cyclinder sometimes going as low as 3 cyclinders. we have tested the coil packs again and now the spark seems to be varying. we also replaced all the spark plugs and spark plug leads. any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

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Adam Foster
Benjamin Burgess
TryHard
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL

Posts: 252
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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 08:43 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Checked the injectors? How are the plugs, are they wet, fouled?
Adam Foster
TryHard
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SC400 Limited GT

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 08:58 pm, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

spark plugs are brand new and put in today, injectors are working fine, we had them tested.
Kevin la Terra
TryHard
victoria
soarer GTTL

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:19 pm, by:  Kevin la Terra (Trdpsi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ecu???
Ben Socratous
Tinkerer
SA
JZZ30 TT

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:25 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Swap the commodore for a toyota lexen?

Ben Socratous
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SA
JZZ30 TT

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:28 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry mate, had to be said! Gimme a txt/email and I'll see if I can put you in touch with some friends in the commodore owners club.
Nathan Richardson
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Queensland
UZZ 32 (V8)

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:30 pm, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From memory the V6 Buicks have 3 coil packs joined together. Underneath it is the module which also fails.
Another thought is the hall sensor in the harmonic balance. Both are ignition related and are pretty common faults. (normally start failing around the 200K mark.)
Hope this helps :-)
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer UZZ31

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 09:00 am, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd go for the sensors in a Commy. ECUs are pretty good but it should be easy to get a good one to try.
Adam Foster
TryHard
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SC400 Limited GT

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 07:04 pm, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well we replaced the sandwich board underneath the coilpacks still missing badly. any other suggestions ?
Mark Paddick
Goo Roo
ACT
Soarer UZZ31

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:01 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ECU itself?
Adam Foster
TryHard
SA
SC400 Limited GT

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:13 pm, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

can the crank angle sensor or hall sensor cause this ?
Aaron Casey
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nsw
jzz30 gttl

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:14 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey man the most common thing with the vs is either the crankshaft position sensor, camshaft sensor or the dfi module(under coilpacks) if u hav already replaced plugs and leads and checked coils. has anyone checked for codes with tech one??? or flash coded it?? may even hav a o2 sensor gone, fuel pump is very common too.. i know as i work for holden :S
Adam Foster
TryHard
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SC400 Limited GT

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Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:21 pm, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well, where trying to find out why the sparks are varying and what causes the sparks to vary
Nathan Richardson
Tinkerer
Queensland
UZZ 32 (V8)

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Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 07:22 am, by:  Nathan Richardson (Richtheblack) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ill throw in another two cents.
On the inside of the harmonic balance is the hall sensor for the ignition timing :-)
Hayden Miller
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QLD
Soarer TT

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Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 11:17 am, by:  Hayden Miller (Zero) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hope im allowed to do this but, as a commodore owner as well i use
www.justcommodores.com it has a huge forum with heaps of info.... if you ask on there im sure you'l find a few commo experts happy to help.
Dan McColl
DieHard
Victoria
UZZ-32 V8 Soarer #138

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Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 06:16 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know the problem....

Get rid of the commodore and get another soarer and the problem will be solved.
Damien Barnes
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sa
TT JZZ30

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Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 11:08 pm, by:  Damien Barnes (Barned01) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my mate had a vp commie engine and his completely dropped spark one day. it ended up being the hall effect trigger that gets its signal from the harmonic balancer i think (don't have the book handy :-( ). the trigger is held in by 2 screws and there is a multi toothed vane that is connected to the balancer. the trigger sits either side of the vanes. we found this was slightly out and it ended up chewing at the trigger.
replaced the part from a wrecked one on a vn and it solved the problem.
Adam Foster
TryHard
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SC400 Limited GT

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Monday, March 06, 2006 - 04:17 am, by:  Adam Foster (Adam) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it was the coil packs the coil packs, the new coil packs we bought just so happened to fail in the first day so we had to get them all replaced again and that fixed the problem. thanks for your help everyone

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