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Benjamin Burgess
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Toyota Soarer GT-TL

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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 11:56 am, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm after advice on a sound system setup for my soarer. Basically I'm building a car PC setup that is going to use a Zalman USB sound card to drive a signal to 2 amps, one 4 channel for the front and rear speakers which are 4" and 6x9" respectively and one 2 channel amp for the factory sub. Basically I've found this amp on ebay,

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&item=220040956673&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEW A%3AIT&rd=1

Which I've seen that another member is using to run the factory sub. What I'm after is opinions on the quality i'll get from this and also what is a half descent 4 channel amp for the other speakers. I'm not after thumping sound, just normal listening.
Mark Paddick
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UZZ31 V8 Soarer , JZZ30 TT Soarer

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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 12:44 pm, by:  Mark Paddick (Sparks) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That amp can't drive the factory sub.
The amp needs to be 2 ohm stable....very rare in cheap amps.
With 6 x9 's in the rear, what do you need a sub for???
Benjamin Burgess
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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 12:54 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Car came with 6x9 speakers and didn't have a choice with factory sub as it came with the parcel shelf i needed as a replacement. So 2 6x9" speakers would pump just as hard as a 10" sub?
Benjamin Burgess
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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 01:06 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about something like this from jaycar,

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0420&CATID=24&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly =&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=595
Benjamin Burgess
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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 01:10 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh how about this one,

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330043661070&fromMakeTrack=true

2 ohm stable :-)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BRAND-NEW-3600-WATT-MAX-5-CH-POWER-CAR-AUDIO-AMP-P960-5_W0QQitemZ290041226884 QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4950QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2 ohm stable but 5 channel :-) Is it possible to have 2 ohm on one channel and 4 ohms on the other 4 channels?
Ben Socratous
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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 06:30 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In my experience 6x9z and subs don't like each other very much. Lose them and get some decent 5.25-6" in lieu. I'd even go so far as to say that if this means a new parcel shelf, then so be it.

6x9z go hard, but very few pack the goods in the SQ department.

I'm running 2 of these
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0422&CATID=24&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly =&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=595
One for the front and rear splits (ok I know I don't need splits in the rear, but I had them under my bed for 2 years so I thought I'd better do something with them!) and the other drives the 10" jaycar sub. As it is dual voice coil I just bridged the 4 channels into 2 then ran that to each set of terminals on the sub.
Ben Socratous
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Monday, October 30, 2006 - 06:31 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW, those new range of jaycar amps are the best they have ever sold, I am SOOOOOOOOO happy with them :-)
Alen Sadikovic
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Soarer GTT

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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 12:21 pm, by:  Alen Sadikovic (Alen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i am running 6x9s pioneers and two 10" pioneer subs and i have never had a prob with them, in fact they both are about 5 years old and still pumping hard.
Ben Socratous
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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 06:44 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, I've been mis-understood again :-(

Probably should explain myself better.

From an audio engineering point of view... NEVER run woofers of differing sizes as sound quality WILL be effected. A 6x9 is so near a full on woofer its not funny. Running them with a sub will go hard and loud, but doesn't come close to a decent set of the afformentioned sizes in the quality department.

I have built LOTS and LOTS of car stereo systems, home theatre systems and done some PA work, ergo am more than qualified to say take what i have just written as gospel, ok?
Alen Sadikovic
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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 07:46 pm, by:  Alen Sadikovic (Alen87) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fair enough!
Peter Bullman
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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:30 pm, by:  Peter Bullman (Pete) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Benjamin Burgess wrote on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 12:54 pm:

Car came with 6x9 speakers and didn't have a choice with factory sub as it came with the parcel shelf i needed as a replacement. So 2 6x9" speakers would pump just as hard as a 10" sub?




Yes and No.. The sub will have a MUCH LOWER frequency.. The 6x9's, when amplified, will be 'loud' and have very good MID range.

I don't 'totally' agree with what Ben is saying about 6x9's.. its a little generalised (no offense dude) as I believe (and experienced many times) that decent 6x9's with the correct amp, tuned to the correct frequency, will give a better MID range response to most 5".. however, I do agree that by just 'slapping' a set of 6x9's on any given amp is disasterous and tends to 'cloud' the sound image more than anything!! And I do also agree that from a 'pure SQ' point of view that 6x9's are not that way to go.. but for a 'Street' set-up there is definitely nothing wrong with 6x9's, so long as they are used in the correct application..

All in all, if I had my way, it would be 6" Splits up front, 2-way 6" in rear and 2 10" in boot.. This will all happen when my EMV gets fixed!!
Ben Socratous
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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:36 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed.
Benjamin Burgess
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Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 08:25 pm, by:  Benjamin Burgess (Jampac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

haha funny listening to you guys. I'm like tone deaf when it comes to audio setups, but show me engine management or anything mechanical and i'll give you my professional opinion.

I got a 5 channel amp off ebay coming this week, my carpc setup is running on the bench, just waiting on a few small parts, like cables, cardbus adapter, antennas and crap like that and i'll fire it up.
Ben Socratous
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Monday, November 06, 2006 - 06:05 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fair call, how about we catch up and I'll build you sound system while you build me an engine
Peter Bullman
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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 09:14 am, by:  Peter Bullman (Pete) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Socratous wrote on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 06:05 pm:




lol!!

I'll jump on that bandwagon!!

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