Friday, February 01, 2008 - 02:47 pm, by: Bradley Parnell(Scrad)
Been wanting to do this since i got the car - stick a W58 into the Soarer. Only problem is I cant seem to find a) the box itself (may have found one) and b) the clutch pedal/master cylinder/gear shifter surround..
I may have sourced a gearbox supplier, I just need to know that I can get the rest of the stuff before sinking $800+ into a gearbox.
Friday, February 01, 2008 - 02:56 pm, by: Jason Underwood(Jay666)
Make sure you get the right gearbox in terms of shifter position, we had one and the shifter position was out. Best person to speak to is Neil Griffiths. Has a site rushimports.com
Also if your worried about spending 800 on the box, be ready for all the other costs mate, it's not just a slap in job. Good luck with it all.
Friday, February 01, 2008 - 05:04 pm, by: Bradley Parnell(Scrad)
Im not worried about spending 800 on the box, as long as I can do something with it lol..
I believe its the remote shifter? Is that correct.. i had a chat with neil, i must ring him again because it was pissing down rain when i was talking to him and i didnt hear that much.
Is the master cylinder the same as the one on manual TTs?
Also the brake pedal would be different, not stupidly big auto one..
Friday, February 01, 2008 - 06:36 pm, by: Daniel Clarke(Dieseltrain)
Could end up costing $3500-$4k for the conversion.
Flywheel, new bolts, CLutch + pressure plate, Lines ( hard or braided) new slave cylinder master cylinder, Tailshaft will probably need modifying and rebalancing, Gearbox mounts ( new ones while your there), and any labour costs.
Friday, February 01, 2008 - 10:52 pm, by: Bradley Parnell(Scrad)
well i plan on doing it all myself, my dad has been a mechanic for 30 odd years and we have done 3 manual conversions so far (my old meteor, and old KE70 rolla and a new-ish excel). i realise that these will be nothing like the soarer but im pretty confident between him and myself we could do it..
what i was wondering was, could i basically get all the bits from a R154 soarer and put everything but the gearbox in it (use W58 instead). just wondering about the clutch mainly, W58 being push type and R154 being pull.
i would go a R154 cuz i know it would work but i dont need that strength and they cost waaay more.
i figure if i mix bits from manual soarer with bits from manual N/A supra i should be pretty right??
does neone have technical info on the w58s and r154s that i can compare (length and that).
also i thought of something else - they come as a manual in the states so it shouldnt be impossible.
Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 08:36 am, by: Andrew Meiers(Acmtt)
Tech info. PDF too large to upload 6.5mb The jza80 clutch pedal is a direct fit. Jzz30 of course also. Clutch is readily available aftermarket and toyota. $5-600 obviously your dad will get trade on this. Clutch lines you buy and bend yourself to fit, if y ou take time it can look factory. Any brake shop will supply you with 1.2m of tube with the fittings on each end for about $22. Master cylinder and slave are about $140 and $100 new, from Toyota. Flywheel bolts, one use items, $100 Toyota Tailshaft modification $200 Brake pedal $70 from Toyota. Interior Trim $60 Toyota gearbox mount $50 Toyota Use the auto crossmember. ECU? Justin Cook has a factory one for sale.
Allow a weekend and you will be happy. The wiring is documented in the archives thanks to Simon T.
I know i just rehashed what the others have written with a price. There is nothing new in here that wasn't available by searching the archives. Good luck
Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 10:06 am, by: Jason Underwood(Jay666)
I totally agree with you about the W58 over the R154, If your not going for huge power then you will greatly appreciate the smoothness of the W58. I went with the W58 in my V8 and it hasn't missed a beat. My mrs has a Mark II tourer with the single turbo VVTi and the R154 and it is a very cluncky and sticky box.
Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 09:31 pm, by: Andrew Meiers(Acmtt)
I personally wouldn't go with the shockproof, its not recommended for our box r154 ( check the redline guide). i have read of problems perhaps not caused by the shockproof, just not reported by people that stayed with the mtl.
Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:40 pm, by: Shane Ilich(Ferret)
I have done exactly what you want to do.
Yes, you need the remote shifter W58. You will also need the electronic speedo sender. I think the box you need is out of a NA MK3 supra.
W58 flywheel is also different, so grab that (the pressure plate bolt configuration is different).
Be wary of upgrading the clutch too far - the pressure plate is cast-iron, which will shatter if it gets too hot (ie slipping on hard launches). I did this after switching to a 6-puk brass button unsprung clutch and having the pressure plate clamping force upgraded - it didnt like it.
Ecu shouldnt need to be changed, auto ecu will run fine, you just need to wire up the neutral override and the reverse lights - there should be some wiring diagrams somewhere in the archives, if you have issues, I think I have some stuff saved in a word doc somewhere.
You will lose cruise control.
When you get the tailshaft lengthened, you need to keep it two-piece. Just get a longer front section made up. The W58 yoke is different to the R154/auto yoke (R154 and auto are both the same).
The parts list Andrew posted up is pretty much on the money, and W58 slave cylinders are still available new from Toyo.
Monday, February 11, 2008 - 07:46 pm, by: Mike Beck(Gold_40gt)
Hmmm all very exciting reading about a Manual conversion.
Im actually converting my JZZ31 to an R154 in the next two months. Will transform the car from a jerky auto cruiser into what It should be.
If your wondering, the R154 is the choice as eventually Ill be swapping for at GTE motor in the later half of the year. Plenty of other components to sort out before then however.
Monday, February 11, 2008 - 08:33 pm, by: Bradley Parnell(Scrad)
I was gonna go for a R154 to start with but i figured that if i got the W58 sorted and working it should be heaps easier to swap the R154 if i need it..
I have been ringing around for weeks trying to find the stuff, anyone know of any good places for it?
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