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Michael Fabian
Tinkerer
queensland
soarer JZZ31

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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 08:11 am, by:  Michael Fabian (Mf_sc300) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I want to get an aftermarket muffler and tip but im not sure of any good places to buy it from or get it installed at a good price. Can someone recommend a type of muffler and tip e.g. 3.5" or 4" etc. that would sound good, look good, and increase performance?. And any other info that would help me would be great.

Thanks, Michael.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 02:12 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just changing a muffler and tip will really only affect the visual impact and noise level.

Do you really want a 4" tip? It will look like a riced WRX! :-)
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Soarer Limited UZZ31 & Soarer 3.0GT JZZ31

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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 08:28 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 02:12 pm:

Do you really want a 4" tip? It will look like a riced WRX! :-)




HA!

Michael, You have a really nice JZZ31 I reckon to make it even better, if you willing to part with the money (budgeting around $500-750AUD) Get a pair of double offset Lukey mufflers, the Ultra Flo ones in stainless steel. 2.0" ones should be enough, then go 2" to a Y join into a 2.50" single, with a resonator up to the factory cat. For tips, take off your stock stainless ones and get some metal polish. You will be surprised at how good they can look - then get them refitted.

This is what I was going to do on my JZZ31 originally. They can sound hot with the right work! If its too loud you can get another resonator put in.
Mike Triggs
Goo Roo
Western Australia
3.0GT G-Pack

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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 02:15 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope this doesn't turn into a thread hijack, but has anyone looked into Vortex mufflers?

Their website is under reconstruction at the moment, so it's difficult to show what they are and do. Here are some pics:



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Autospeed did a test some time ago:
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_108231/article.html

This is on a diesel Hilux but applicable to any car, I'd think. The Hilux did have other work besides new exhaust.

It would seem for a JZZ31 that the Vortex would be mounted up the front where the current front resonator is, then straight pipe to a Y-joint and then pipe to two resonators at the rear.

With the site down can't link, but from memory prices were in the $AU220-350 range depending on inlet size, muffler length (longer for bigger motors), and whether stainless or mild steel.
As far as I know they are made here in Oz, and are unlike the Cherry Bomb vortex design from US.
Mike Triggs
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 02:19 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More on Vortex:
This would seem a relatively cheap way to build a new twin system, as the Vortex itself is little more than the price of one Lukey or similar, and the rear needs only two resonators which are relatively cheap, and presumably the std rear tips can be retained.

I'm looking at replacing my system sometime, and want the system to be lighter, slightly more sporty in sound, and hopefully give a little better economy and power. The std system seems awfully restrictive, and despite being allegedly stainless steel, on our car at least is rusting quite noticeably.

I agree with Mike (B) too that all the std rear tips require is a decent polish and they look pretty schmick.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 07:48 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm just going to remove the cat from mine - I figure thats got to make a huge difference and won't cost much at all.
Mike Triggs
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 10:46 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 07:48 am:

I'm just going to remove the cat from mine - I figure thats got to make a huge difference and won't cost much at all.




I'm pretty sure that's illegal over here. I contemplated doing just that with a Levin we once owned on Norfolk- in this case so we could use Avgas as the local fuel at that time was pretty crappy for a 10.5 or 11.0 to one compression engine. Ended up selling the car though. What happens to the O2 sensor?

Not sure about earlier Jzz31s, but our '97 has two cats and two O2 sensors.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
JZZ31

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Monday, September 15, 2008 - 05:55 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure about that, I'll have to do some research. I thought the '96 had only one cat - thats all I can see from under the car anyway.

No problems with legality here.
Mike Triggs
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Monday, September 15, 2008 - 11:30 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely two on our VVTi, Matthew. The extractors each have three pipes going into one cat, with an O2sensor to each cat. Then the pipes from the cats go into a "Y" junction into single pipe to the front resonator or whatever it is.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
JZZ31

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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:58 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think Don posted a picture up of the two systems some time in the past so I'll have to have a search for it.
Don Bagnall
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New Zealand
Mercedes Benz SLK230 Kompressor

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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:38 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 06:31 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Don, saved me time! =)

So are the 17450B and the 17410 both catalytic converters then? Or is the first one just a resonator? No sign of the O2 sensors that I can see?
Don Bagnall
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 03:42 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, they're both Meow's.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Friday, September 19, 2008 - 06:24 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe I should just gut em both then.
Don Bagnall
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Friday, September 19, 2008 - 04:59 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct!
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
Soarer Limited UZZ31

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Friday, September 19, 2008 - 06:19 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ha!

This is what I was going to do with my 3.0GT, but that sure wont be happening now. :-(

I really do like the 2JZ soundtrack... its on par with the V8 to an extent... very smooth and seductive... But the V8 always has the extra special place in my ear.

I would get them removed completely though Matt, as you can take them to a wrecker and get $X for each of them! You might be surprised...

By gutting them you get that horrid empty-chamber resonating sound!

YUCK!

Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 05:48 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I've always liked the sound of a straight 6, plus they are so smooth at idle.

Thats what I figured, better to put proper steel pipes in and avoid the tinny drone. but what do I do with the O2 sensors? Won't i have issues with overfueling if I leave them disconnected? Or is there a fuse I can pull or something?
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
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Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 05:59 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You mean the cat sensors?

I'm sure the O2 ones are just in the headers and not related to the cats at all.

On my other UZZ30 I just cut the cat sensors when I took them out, and put some closed end connectors on the old leads, seemed to work fine.
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 06:05 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats good news then. One of these days I'll get around to it when I have some spare cash to give the exhaust guy. Now the Soarer's not being used at all as a family transport I can do what I want with it I guess.

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