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Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 91
Reg: 03-2008
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Long story short.
Replaced the oil and filter in my VVTi engine. Since doing so my car isn't driving as smoothly. When I go to stop, the engine reverts to neutral and doesn't kick in to gear until long after I've gone to accelerate resulting in a jolt or a tyre squeal.
It could be one of these possibilities but a little help would be much appreciated.
I think I have overfilled the oil (5L). I did however believe that it was between 5 and 6L was the level... it's over full on the dipstick.
I went to drain it and not even a L came out.
Or I'm using the wrong oil (I think it's 10W40... I'll have to check in the morning when I can actually see the bottle).
Or it's unrelated and something has gone wrong.
Cheers |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11172
Reg: 11-2004
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Or you checked the gearbox dipstick and then drained the engine oil or something crazy like that! ?
Expanding on that theme, any chance you accidentally drained the gearbox oil? |
Jamie Richards
Tinkerer
St.john's
v8
Posts: 88
Reg: 06-2009
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 02:55 am:Expanding on that theme, any chance you accidentally drained the gearbox oil?
it could be that, but if the gear box oil was drained and now low on oil the gear box would get loud right? |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11173
Reg: 11-2004
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No idea, but it certainly wouldn't run as expected.
Have you checked the gearbox fluid level? The engine needs to be running when you do. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 5036
Reg: 10-2005
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Given that the A340 sump holds around 1.5 litres, it does sound like you have drained the wrong sump. Was the bolt on the bottom, or the side of the sump? |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1534
Reg: 09-2007
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i really doubt someone can accidentally drain the gearbox oil instead of the engine..the sumps look nothing alike. |
Scott Wilkes
Goo Roo
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual
Posts: 1108
Reg: 10-2008
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yes but the under cover plastic kind of masks the sump bolt, so its possible he has mistook it for the engine sump bolt.
If so it wont be a good outcome for the transmission, if its ran long enough with insufficient oil expect the clutches and oil pump to be pretty fubar |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2046
Reg: 08-2005
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Can someone please post a photo of where the transmission dipstick is for her so she can go check the level ASAP? |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 489
Reg: 02-2009
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i think she's a dude man...
i'd be putting it straight on a flatbed and getting it to the nearest transmission expert to see if it can be saved...
maybe but i doubt it if it's been driven much |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2047
Reg: 08-2005
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Really? I just assumed... 
I bet your transmission will be fine if you haven't driven too much. You need transmission fluid and you need to drain some of that oil out. |
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8
Posts: 1066
Reg: 03-2007
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Miles is right engine now has 10 lts in it (that ok as long as it has not been run too long) and trans is missing 1.5 lts (still has 6+ lts left )so pump etc will be fine.I think i would drain the engine sump and start again! think of it as a good flush. |
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 94
Reg: 03-2008
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*insert a huge amount of swearing*
what tranny oil do i use and what amount
and im going to re bleed the oil so what is a good oil for the engine |
Scott Casey
TryHard
nsw
soarer v8
Posts: 361
Reg: 02-2008
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type 4 transmission fluid only from toyota.
10w 40 is fine for the engine oil.(mobil, castrol)
most of the trans fluid stays in the torque converter. so drop all the fluid out and you may have to put 2 - 3ltrs in. then fill 200ml at a time while checking the dipstick as you go. |
Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8
Posts: 1067
Reg: 03-2007
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Lachie rebleed engine oil? ..do you mean drain engine and bleed (flush) auto trans.
10w 30w for engine ,but 10w 40w is ok for summer. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2048
Reg: 08-2005
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I thought the V8 transmission was the only one that needs Toyota fluid? |
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 95
Reg: 03-2008
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thanks guys... i found the trans fluid on the dipstick (type 4)and grabbed 10w 30 while i was at toyota. i'm kicking myself so hard for the rookie error |
Scott Wilkes
Goo Roo
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual
Posts: 1110
Reg: 10-2008
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you learn from ya mistakes mate we all mate them haha.
Hopefully you acted quick enough and havnt permenantly damaged the box or engine. Engine Should be fine, hopefully it hasnt pushed any seals out etc from the added pressure in the crank case |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2049
Reg: 08-2005
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There is no real pressure in the crankcase. It's where the oil falls after lubricating the engine. There is only pressure in the oil passages in the block, crank and heads. Worst you could do is whip the oil into a foam with the crank. If you'd filled it high enough to get to the rings you'd see lots of smoke.
Stop worrying the poor lass. She's fine. |
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 96
Reg: 03-2008
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well there doesn't seem to be any damage she's running like before (a little smoother actually)good old hardy toyota engines
and Miles, i am a bloke.
cheers |
Scott Wilkes
Goo Roo
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual
Posts: 1112
Reg: 10-2008
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mike there is indeed pressure in the crankcase, why do you think you have breather systems etc on your motor (remove the oil cap when the engine is running and feel the air rushing out of the cap hole)
Think about it, piston pumping up and dowm, as it pumps down it creates a pressure difference within the crank case, with excessive oil which is less compressable than air is in there it can cause Alot of pressure, enough to push out seals and blow gaskets |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2051
Reg: 08-2005
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That's blow by chief. Not oil pressure.
Whatever you're trying to come up with there makes no sense. |
Scott Wilkes
Goo Roo
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual
Posts: 1113
Reg: 10-2008
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never said anything about oil pressure did i .
Just saying, as had many a car come in after a home "service" suffering from excessive oil leaks, mainly due to a pushed out crankshaft or rear main seal due to the person overfilling the oil capacity. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2052
Reg: 08-2005
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Well this theory about pistons pumping pressure up is silly anyway.. when one goes down another is going up. |
Scott Wilkes
Goo Roo
Tasmania
92 TT Factory Manual
Posts: 1115
Reg: 10-2008
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yes i know that they counteract each other, depends how far they are overfilled. Still you have the matter of oil foaming due tto the crankshaft beating the oil to a froth and we all know that foam is a crap lubricant hey? hehe
The more i think of it the reason the seals start to push out/leak would be due to the oil level being past that of the lower section of the seals. There designed to keep so much oil from leaking, not a lake of oil directly behind the seal.
Either way, the fella should drain the sump ASAP, as by the sounds of it, it has 10 litres in the dam thing which either way you look at it is cause for harm to the motor |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2053
Reg: 08-2005
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So in essence then you agree with my earlier posts. Cheers. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2054
Reg: 08-2005
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Lachie Bryce wrote on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 06:28 pm:and Miles, i am a bloke.
Oops sorry... with the problem at hand I just kept imagining a girl. |
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 97
Reg: 03-2008
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hahaha no, just a noob error, i'm still learning and now i know what not to do and in consiquence what to do |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 5039
Reg: 10-2005
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You can use Dex 2 or 3 in the JZZ31 - I run Castrol Dexron III in mine and have done for a couple of years (ever since Toyota put the cost of Type IV up to $80 per 4 litre tin, bastards!)
Type IV is good stuff if you can afford $120-$200 per flush, and you have to use it in the A340E box, but the A340 is fine on Dexron 3, and its half the price. |
Lachie Bryce
Tinkerer
vic
Jzz31
Posts: 98
Reg: 03-2008
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i got the toyota type 4 for about 46 bucks from toyota here |
Scott Casey
TryHard
nsw
soarer v8
Posts: 363
Reg: 02-2008
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what $46 
had a quick thought of a GROUPBUY
wonder what price they will do if people brought 10+ tins or a crate worth.  |
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