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Michael McKellar
Tinkerer
Overijssel
Mini
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Reg: 08-2008
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then if you roll it you can cut more metal out = less weight.
hmm yes photo with HDR effect. nice but i don't have one of them do i? and i sold the Forester XT to come over here and get a 12 year old heap of crap BMW. what was i thinking?
walking in the snow is still a novelty for us. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 10295
Reg: 11-2004
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That wide ass bumper gives it a nice look! |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 148
Reg: 06-2008
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 04:36 am:That wide ass bumper gives it a nice look!
Maybe the tune for the next video clip will have to be Queen's Fat Bottomed Girls?
Here's some photos of the roll cage after the welds were primed the other day:
And I also picked up the polycarbonate for the rear windscreen. I'm yet to mark it out and cut it to shape, but here it is on the back of the car. It is 3mm thick, clear stuff that is UV protected, so it should last a while before it fades and becomes opaque. Because it is relatively thin material, when it is pushed into place on the windscreen surround, it takes the convex shape of the original windscreen quite nicely (which I'll try to show once it is done properly). It is not blue, that's just the plastic lining over it to prevent scratches:
I've also been thinking for a while about getting rid of under-bonnet heat. The rules prevent vents in the bonnet, so another way had to be found. The solution was in the area just in front of the windscreen, where the wiper motor normally sits (which I shouldn't need, as Sports Sedans don't generally have wipers). That area is covered with that plastic cover that has the mesh venting in it, so all I had to do was get the air from the engine bay into that cavity. So here's how:
When the interior gets painted next week, that cavity will be done too, which is why I had to get that bit sorted out today. All that's left to do now before the interior does get painted is to Prepsol the whole lot. I'm going to leave that until just before it is painted so that dust doesn't settle on it prior to the paint going in/on.
More reports as progress continues (albeit way too slowly...).
Cheers,
Andrew |
Jason Munro
TryHard
NSW
Soarer GTT-L
Posts: 232
Reg: 07-2008
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good idea for the heat extraction !
i had another (not sure if it's workable though...)
what about some holes in the inner guards ?
they could feed hot air into the slots in the rear of your glass front guards ? |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 149
Reg: 06-2008
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Hi Jason, welcome back. I like your idea for the engine bay heat removal, but it wasn't possible for a couple of reasons:
1. The inner guards need to remain as stiff as possible in their current configuration - I didn't include bars from the roll cage out to the strut towers, therefore the only rigidity for the tops of the struts comes from the strut tower brace and the material that's already there - and I didn't want to compromise that by removing material (the area in front of that wiper motor cavity is not structural in the same way).
2. The vents (or slots, holes) in the front guards are not strictly legal (in fact they are positively illegal), and I may be forced at any time to block them off (though I'm going to risk it for now).
3. Slick tyres kick up a lot of crap from the road surface (including gravel, bits of rubber and other bits of miscellaneous rubbish). With no protection (such as inner guards) to stop it, I'll end up with an engine bay full of foreign material, and I'm too anal to allow that to happen.
4. Hot air rises, and the holes I've put in that cavity wall are at the top and back of the engine bay, so in theory that is the best place to bleed the heat out.
That's all in theory of course. I guess we'll wait to see how it goes...
I should also mention that the thing I sent to that person you suggested has met with no response at all. One of those things - you get that on the big jobs. Thanks for trying anyway.
Cheers,
Andrew |
Matchy Loi
TryHard
VIC
GTT
Posts: 210
Reg: 06-2006
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I was going to try explain this thing i read, but i thought... bahh just have a look yourself Andrew. It's regarding venting and so on.
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2159/article.html?popularArticle |
Steven Anderson
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 303
Reg: 05-2006
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im not sure how well the vents work, the area at the base of the windscreen is a high pressure zone. Its one of the reasons the intake for the air conditioner is usually around that area.
edit, here we go, page 99 Here |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 150
Reg: 06-2008
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You were right Pen, they turn up when you least expect it!
Thanks for the links guys, very interesting reading (I haven't read it all yet, but it's good so far). I don't think I'll change my mind though - I'm not going to go sticky-taping those bits back in. I still reckon some of that hot air will get out, and because the bonnet will not be the original and there won't be any seals to speak of, some should escape out the sides there too, so I'm hoping engine bay temperatures will be OK.
Guess we won't find out for a while yet though...
Cheers,
Andrew |
Michael McKellar
Tinkerer
Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 18
Reg: 08-2008
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you can always do some manometer tests to see if the pressure is building up in the engine bay and preventing flow.
but yeah better to have the holes now and stick a bung in them if they don't work later. |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 152
Reg: 06-2008
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After reading lots more information about air pressure, I'm happy enough that those holes will work (at least a bit). The swept-back and curved shape of the windscreen on the Soarer will help in reducing the amount of air pressure just in front of the windscreen, and the curved lateral shape of the nose and bonnet will too. The cavity just in front of the windscreen also has two "channels" out each side of the car (into the area under the front guard), so that might help too. At the very least, I don't think it will cause problems.
Now, onto something more taxing for everybody's brains. Today we have to use our imagination extensively, and try to visualise some things. We will be imagining things inside-out, inverted and in different colours; so be prepared.
First up, we have the mold that will be used to make the new front undertray. Now it comes from a different car, and will need a little work to marry it up to the front bumper/spoiler we have, but the profile of it will be exactly what we need for an undertray. So you have to imagine some things when looking at the following photos:
1) Imagine it is NOT yellow!
2) These pictures are of the mold, not the finished product, so it is a negative image of what it will really be like - upside down, inside out, smooth and rough.
3) It will sit a little further forward in the bumper assembly - I just didn't want to damage the good surface on the mold by sitting the bumper on it for the photos.
4) Overall it will be about 150mm narrower, meaning we'll have to do a "cut & shut" through the middle of the piece we take off the mold (then we'll make a new mold of the correct size and shape once everything is exactly how we want it).
5) Where the bar mounts to the front cross-member will remain, but it will be set up to be height-adjustable and I will manufacture a bracket that the bar will just slot into, rather than being bolted or screwed on - this is to save time when removing or installing the front bar assembly.
So here it is then:
And now onto something else to imagine. This time it's all about colour. We had a colour sample made up, so that I could check it out prior to painting the interior with it. It looks much better in real life of course, but I couldn't help taking some photos for all to see.
So in the following photos you have to remember that the sample is a piece of cardboard, so the metallic-ness and brightness of the colour don't show up as truly as they will when on the car. That means imagining metallic paint and a really nice, bright colour.
The card is small, and has been laying in the paint shop for a couple of weeks, so you have to imagine it clean and not covered with extraneous drops of other paints, and most importantly you have to imagine that the colour is all over the areas where the card has been placed (including the roll cage). You'll see what I mean.
The last few photos show the card over an area that has been chromed. Well, almost. You have to imagine it is real, shiny chrome. It is actually a spray paint called "Liquid Chrome", but it turns out more of a silver. I put the blue and chrome together in a couple of photos because the graphics that will end up on the car will be chrome, as will the wheels. So you have to imagine that whole combination.
Oh, and I took these photos on a dark and dreary day, so they don't look too bright. Do your best!
The interior is being painted next week, and because I finally got around to buying a tow vehicle, I won't have to pay for one of those pesky tow trucks to get it there! Once the painting is done, it should allow for a fair bit of progress to happen much more quickly than it has for the past couple of months. Here's hoping...
That's all for today.
Cheers,
Andrew |
Michael McKellar
Tinkerer
Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 19
Reg: 08-2008
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cool. my imagination says that the undertray will protrude in front of the bumper to the maximum that the rules allow 
i imagine the colour will be a bit lighter shade than the last car.
what did you buy as a tow vehicle??? and is it only a tow vehicle meaning you have to pay the pesky trailer hire people instead of the pesky tow truck people???
michael |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 153
Reg: 06-2008
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The undertray will protrude somewhat. I spent an hour at the factory with Bruce today, discussing that exact point. By the end of January we should have most of the fibreglassing well on the way to being sorted.
The colour will be much brighter and lighter than the last car. Much.
Ended up going with a Territory (2WD). It doubles as tow vehicle and family car, meaning I had to trade the Sportivo in  . But it also has a 2300kg towing capacity, which should just about cover it!
And no, I haven't got a trailer yet. But hiring one is heaps cheaper than hiring a tow truck. |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 154
Reg: 06-2008
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Now folks, it's time to use your imagination again. Below is a very rough artist's impression of how the Soarer is supposed to turn out. It is a really rough guide only, but should give you some idea of what's floating around inside my head. Unfortunately what's in my head doesn't exactly translate through my hands onto the paper, but you'll get the idea.
You have to imagine that the grey areas are actually chrome (including the wheels), and you have to imagine that the dark blue is actually the blue you had to imagine from looking at the paint sample earlier in the thread. I'm not entirely sure yet what colour to do the "headlights" (remember it will only have the high beams), but it turned out OK in the drawing as a lighter blue. Not sure whether that will work in real life, so I'm open to people's suggestions as to that colour.
So here it is then:
Any comments or questions are welcome...
Cheers,
Andrew |
Jason Munro
TryHard
NSW
Soarer GTT-L
Posts: 234
Reg: 07-2008
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can't wait to see the finished car....
it will look great...... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 10310
Reg: 11-2004
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Curious about the process of getting chrome squares, or is it a chrome paint? Love the concept! |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 155
Reg: 06-2008
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Not paint. Chrome decals. A fair amount of hand-work will be going into it, but it can be done. We've had a chrome chequered pattern of some sort or other on every car so far, although usually a lot more subtle than what's planned for this one.
The effect that I couldn't really portray in the drawing but will happen in real life is that the random squares you see along the car will look like they have been torn from the main pattern at the front and are "flying away". That effect will be enhanced by shadowing and shaping each square individually (including things like wrapping one around the wing element eventually), with the ultimate look being the pattern is ripping off due to the car's speed, even when it is standing still. Well, that's the theory anyway... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 10311
Reg: 11-2004
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Very cool!  |
Matchy Loi
TryHard
VIC
GTT
Posts: 217
Reg: 06-2006
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that does sound pretty neat |
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 1090
Reg: 04-2006
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I think it'll look great when you're done, having seen Scott Casey's beautiful blue vertex kitted car yesterday.
Territory, eh? I looked at it but couldn't get a manual, which was on the criteria list.
Our little X-Trail towed the car and trailer to Wakefeild and back over the weekend. Around 900km round trip. No real hassles, except becoming on of 'those guys' who have to use the slow lane on the big hills along the Hume. |
Simon Trainos
Tinkerer
Vic
JZZ31
Posts: 25
Reg: 09-2008
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Looks good, very tasteful and not over the top. |
Michael McKellar
Tinkerer
Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 20
Reg: 08-2008
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Nice to see the kid's textas getting a workout there |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged 
Posts: 780
Reg: 08-2005
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hey ben that was my soarer hahahaha scotts was the green one lol |
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT manual
Posts: 1093
Reg: 04-2006
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Oops. Still a nice car. |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 157
Reg: 06-2008
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Any thoughts on those headlight colours? I have had one evil thought, but will have to wait and see how the rest turns out before I look at it more closely.
Love how your car looks Aaron. Where did that colour come from? |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - FOR SALE!
Posts: 256
Reg: 07-2005
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Andrew McKellar wrote on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 10:24 am:I'm not entirely sure yet what colour to do the "headlights" (remember it will only have the high beams), but it turned out OK in the drawing as a lighter blue.
Just to clarify, does that mean you won't be fitting the main front lights, only the round ones in the middle? If not, will you make fibreglass blanks? What about doing the lights as graphics like you see on most door slammer/funny car drag cars? I just don't know how it would look without the lights as they are such a feature of the front of the car. |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 784
Reg: 08-2005
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andrew the colour is fords ba-bf shockwave... it changes colour massively when in sunlight it is so much lighter.. i can get you a few pics if you want... |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 785
Reg: 08-2005
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there is some in day and when its bit darker... i can get you better res pics if you want me to send them to you let me know your email address |
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo
WA
'91 UZZ31 track bunky, '94 blk/blk UZZ31
Posts: 1327
Reg: 07-2005
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wow, nice |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 160
Reg: 06-2008
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Adam Brown wrote on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 10:04 pm:does that mean you won't be fitting the main front lights, only the round ones in the middle? If not, will you make fibreglass blanks? What about doing the lights as graphics like you see on most door slammer/funny car drag cars?
Hi Adam, no there won't be headlights, only the high beams will remain. And yes, they will be fibreglass blanks - it will still look like headlights, but they won't be functioning. The rule book says there must be some kind of outline or decal to show the original position and layout of the headlights if they are removed.
Some interpret this as a proper facsimile of a real headlight (like the decals you see on drag cars), as in this example (it is a Holden Calibra if you didn't pick it):
Others just replace the whole thing with something of roughly the same shape but of a contrasting colour to the rest of the car, like this:
And others just keep the headlights:
The Soarer will have something in contrast to the rest of the colours, but I haven't decided quite what yet. I agree it still needs to maintain that Soarer headlight shape.
Aaron - love that colour. You are right, it looks different in varying lighting conditions, but that's what I was hoping for with the blue I've chosen. What brand/style are those wheels? Are they Shadow Chrome? That is a fantastic looking Soarer you have there...
Car goes off to the paint shop tomorrow morning to have interior done. I can't wait to see it when I pick it up!
Cheers,
Andrew |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 789
Reg: 08-2005
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the wheels are lenso ls5 20's shadow chrome with chrome lip. the only prob being a race car you wouldnt really want something with alot of pearls cause it will cost you more to respray after little bingles. id say go for a nice basic metallic that looks good. thanks andrew alot of work has gone into it lol |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 161
Reg: 06-2008
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Thanks for the details Aaron. I'm going with chrome wheels, but I like the shape/pattern of those ones on your car. The actual style of wheel hasn't been decided yet, and will largely depend on the availability from a wheel sponsor. I'm still looking for a wheel sponsor!
I like these ones too:
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Michael McKellar
Tinkerer
Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 21
Reg: 08-2008
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Don't get chromed wheels. the chroming process often causes hydrogen embrittlement of the alloy. that might be fine for a road car under relatively light loads or a show car that is a trailer queen, but this car is going to have constant high load and heat load. This will only age the alloy faster if it has hydrogen embrittlement. then it will be all tears in the middle of turn one at EC when the outside front cracks.
By all means get highly polished alloy wheels with a nice clear lacquer on them for a similar look, but not chromed.
michael |
Michael McKellar
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Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 22
Reg: 08-2008
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Hey Aaron
2 minis eh - you on ausmini??
cheers
michael
ps sorry for hijack here Andrew |
Andrew McKellar
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
Posts: 162
Reg: 06-2008
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Michael McKellar wrote on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 06:35 am:Don't get chromed wheels. the chroming process often causes hydrogen embrittlement of the alloy.
And we've left it until now to inform team management of this because???? What about the rims? |
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT manual
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Reg: 04-2006
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Andrew McKellar wrote on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 07:43 pm:And we've left it until now to inform team management of this because???? What about the rims?
 That information would have been handy TEN MINUTES AGO! |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
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hey michael yeah i am but rarely go on there as my earnings only allows me to fiddle with one car at a time lol i have one supercharged just need a few things for it and another with a worked 1100 with cooper head and etc etc etc all up ive had 7 but had to realise having a mini for every occasion wasnt going to be very cheap haha
them wheels look sweet. i love 5 spoke wheels so much.
when you get it going and come down to wakefield you will have to let me know. |
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo
SA
I am the fibreglass/kevlar/carbonfibre king!
Posts: 1980
Reg: 07-2005
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Chrome not required, just alloy rims and a lot of polish |
Michael McKellar
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Overijssel
Mini
Posts: 23
Reg: 08-2008
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Exactly Ben.
the rim is part of the wheel. do not get chromed ones - any part of it.
Chrome is a plating process where they stick the wheel in a hot chemical bath to clean it, then in an electrolytic bath and use electrolosis to put a nickel plating on it. then a rinse in another hot bath, another couple of rinses, then into the final electrolytic bath to plate with chromium.
all these electrolytic baths are basically acid with ions of nickel or chromium in solution. you apply a charge and they bond to the metal. this is what causes the hydrogen embrittlement because the alloy is in the acid bath up to a couple of days to get the plating thick enough.
just get polished ones. if the polished finish is not bright enough for you get out the elbow grease and progressivley polish it further using finer and finer grit polish. final polish can be done with a Meguiars or similar polish specifically designed for doing the job. then clean the wax off and apply a suitable HIGH temp clear laquer to maintain the finish. or keep your son employed weekly to maintain the polished finish
don't go for clear powder coating unless you are CERTAIN that the powdercoaters know what they are doing. If the wheel is not prepared properly and the wrong grade of powder coat is used then, there will be gases trapped under the powder coat that WILL find their way out and it will look all bubbled. heat from serious braking will also cook most average paints or low grade powder coats, so it must be suitable for high temps.
most wheel sellers are salesmen or small businessmen or mechanics, not metallurgists so even if you tell them you intend using the wheels for circuit racing they don't really know what the consequences of that are. nor do they really know the difference between a polished wheel and a chromed one. so you need to be sure before you buy.
oh and i would not get cheap chinese wheels either.
talk about it with you next week!
michael |
Aaron Casey
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yeah what he said |
Ben Socratous
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SA
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Michael McKellar wrote on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 08:02 am:final polish can be done with a Meguiars or similar polish specifically designed for doing the job
Yes, but if you hunt around at a decent paint suppliers you can find products that polish alloy a lot better than Meguiars with a lot less effort!
Yes, good wheels for racing are a hard thing to find these days. I sat down with a local seller around my area and told him exactly what I wanted, and he just stared at me with a blank face! I went to a place that apparently is the beez neez in Adelaide for racing tyres and rims and gave him the same spill. After mulling over the Enkei, OZ Racing and Rays catalogues, we found that there was only 5 rims in total that were actually rated for 300k/hr. It was a bit of a shock to see that as there were a LOT of rims in their books. Worst thing is that the 5 suitable styles don't come in the sizes I want, and they look $hit too  |
Andrew McKellar
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JZZ30 - Transforming into a UZZ30! '84 MA61 Supra, '05 2ZZ Corolla Sportivo.
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Right, we are all in agreement then. A jolly good polish is the order of the day.
Now, back to reality for just a minute. The car came back this morning, and to say that I'm happy with the new colour of the interior would be a massive understatement. Photos don't really do it justice as it looks much better in real life, but I'll let them tell the story anyway:
Now that the interior is painted I can start to move forward with attaching various components about the place. Fuel pumps and lines, dash and gauges, driver's seat and other bits and pieces will all be coming real soon. I'll also now be cutting those rear guards off. Just got to figure out how to get permission to do it on Christmas and Boxing Days...
Cheers,
Andrew |
Gavin Smith
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Victoria
1.6 fuel sipper
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Reg: 01-2008
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Andrew, I have been reading this thread for a while now and I look forward to each step of your project being posted here. Why you ask? I work with a guy involved in the Victorian super-sedan series with one of the prominent front runners of the category who runs what originally was a Holden Calibra, similar to the one you posted above, but in black
I have alluded to him that it may pay off for him to look at a rear diffuser on the car to help trim out some of the drag from the monster rear wing he's running, something after copius amounts of research, I think would benefit you also, especially with the length available to you by using a soarer. |
Andrew McKellar
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Soarer Sports Sedan (well, nearly); '84 MA61 Supra.
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Reg: 06-2008
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I agree Gavin, and in fact the rear diffuser will be going onto the Soarer prior to the wing being fitted. This is mostly due to budget constraints, but also the fact that having an Aerospace Engineer and a Mechanical Engineer (who happens to be an expert in air flow) in the fold means that the diffuser has been designed for maximum downforce effect.
The Calibra above has started running a rear diffuser (since the Sports Sedan rules were modified to allow it). I have no decent photos of it, but these should give you the idea:
Cheers,
Andrew |
Gavin Smith
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Yeah, that one races in the same series. Have a look on You Tube under sport sedan fire sandown, you will see the Tomasi Calibra catching fire after the exhaust tip lodges itself in the muffler, turning the exhaust into a flame thrower!!!!
The car I know of won't be running a diffuser until later next year....They're sorting out the front geometry first, getting that right... |
Aaron Casey
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'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
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so what colour code did you end up going andrew? looking good |
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