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Jeff Bedsor
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Monday, September 28, 2009 - 02:10 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thought I should finally get organised and document the mods I have made as well as other bits and pieces.
In case you haven't seen the other thread I did an 11.62 at the drags to take the crown off Daniel (sorry mate) for the Fastest Stock Turbo Soarer for Aus/world.
Video of run and burnouts -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwm6zdr6yTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQX2gcq4KZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6p0ITgMNek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkAl2zh8QM

Timeslips for two 11.6 runs


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Mods are -
Ported intake piping + 3 inch SS piping to Uni Filter Pod
Ported turbo outlet piping
Exhaust 3" to twin 2.5" (very high flowing cat)
440cc injectors
E-manage Ultimate (timing not tuned)
Predator Intercooler/Radiator Kit
HKS 256 cams - Exhaust 6 degrees retarded, Intake 2 degrees advanced
HKS Cam Gears
UAS Dump Pipe with 3 inch down pipe
AEM Wideband AFR Gauge (connected to E-manage for logging)
GReddy Profec Boost Controller
Ported Exhaust and Inlet Manifolds.
Heat shielding gasket on Inlet manifold
New OEM coil packs
Walbro 255 l/h fuel pump
Carbon fibre bonnet -13kgs
Jeff Bedsor
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Monday, September 28, 2009 - 02:28 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's some pics of the exhaust manifold flow improvements -


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Standard carboned up exhaust manifold

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Standard carboned up exhaust manifold

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Standard carboned up exhaust manifold

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After honing

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Opened out turbo to manifold join

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Before honing

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After honing

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Manifolds in place

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The head is next, you can see how much difference in size their is.

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Cracked wastegate seats,I didn't get them repaired.

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Turbo wheels

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Exhaust wheel, yes it's still ceramic

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Turbo air outlet, matched to gasket size.

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Turbo exhaust inlet, these were opened out to match the manifold
Blake Gloyn
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soarer JZZ30 TT

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Monday, September 28, 2009 - 04:44 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow, i can see how you spent that many hours! i can appreciate just how much went into this porting effort.this is huge.
i didnt port my turbos(apart from making wastegate holes flow more) as i wasn't sure if it was in the spirit of "stock turbo" records.
GO THE CERAMICS!!! :-)
Aaron Casey
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Monday, September 28, 2009 - 05:24 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

awesome job do you have any pics on the intake porting as extremely interested where you took it out as i want to do it to mine
Jamie Richards
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 06:08 am, by:  Jamie Richards (Nwb40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey the runs what type of tires did you have on
Jeff Bedsor
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 11:29 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Blake - it was a lot of work, I'm thinking that as long as the turbo wheels and internals are stock that it's still standard, a bit of metal from the intakes etc doesn't really change the basic turbo. Also anyone can do that at home without sending away an paying a fortune for highflowed steel wheel ones.
Aaron, I'm trying to find the inlet manifold pics, I've got a feeling the missus deleted them from the camera. I smoothed out any casting marks in the runners and polished them all with fine emery tape, for the main body I removed a fair bit of metal just inside where the throttle body bolts on and again just removed all the casting marks and any lumps then polished it. The small section that is between the head and the manifolds I polished as well and removed the ridge all around the inside. I used a burr in a drill for the heavy stuff and then a piece of copper tube with a slot in it(like a flapper wheel) and emery tape to clean it all up. I reckon I spent 80hrs plus on them all up. Also did the runners out to match the gasket size.
Jamie - MT Radials at 20 psi.
Jeff Bedsor
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 12:07 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Apologies to me wife, she didn't delete the manifold pics, I had them "filed"" in another folder


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Heat resistant gasket, works great as you can leave your hand on the manifold when the rest of the motor is to hot to touch.

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inlet runners

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Manifold body
James Cahir
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 05:52 pm, by:  James Cahir (James987) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is that phenolic gasket custom made or is there a company that sells them?
Jeff Bedsor
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 06:15 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://store.driftmotion.com/static/i-heatshieldinggasket1jz.php
Price is $US
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:17 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats nice, What type of spark plugs are you running Jeff ? Are you using a HKS DLI or just the stock coil packs ?
Aaron Casey
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:46 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mace engineering do them on ebay for the 2j may want to contact them see if they do a 1j?
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:47 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/COLD-AIR-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-INSULATOR-FOR-2JZ-SUPRA_W0QQitemZ250387189077QQcmdZV iewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a4c3d4d55&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Jeff Bedsor
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 07:45 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like were missing a few posts from last night??????
Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 08:36 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Huh? All posts made to this thread are still there.
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 06:54 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sure I answered Daniels post, strange, must be old age.
Chris Davey
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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 08:46 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great work Jeff!

I agree that the porting of the turbos but leaving standard wheels is still stock turbo. You are currently 16th quickest 1jz powered vehicle outright also :-)
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 01:42 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Found a couple more overall pics. Getting rid of the studs from the turbo to dump pipe join made it all much easier to assemble.


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Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 02:10 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So what plugs and coils and DLI ? LOL ;)
Jeff Bedsor
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 02:20 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Daniel, it's been one of those days...
No DLI, new coilpacks from US and I think I have the Iridiums back in, I had better pull them out and check.
There's a Nostalgia meet on in a week, so I might give it another run. My son is trying to organise a trailer so I can strip it out a bit more and make up a 3 inch pipe so the exhaust comes straight out the side near the the back of the driver's door.
Daniel Clarke
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Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:10 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK thanks mate. Just shows the stock coil packs can work nicely !!!
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Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 10:51 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great Time Jeff, you had to wait till I sold my car to do it. lol

Just on the topic of the turbos, doesn't hi-flowing them make them not stock?

Must be making 280-290rwkw by now?

Improve the 60ft time a bit and should be run 11.5's or better!
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Monday, October 05, 2009 - 09:24 am, by:  Mark Tierney (Mark_t) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great info Jeff. Did you use a Dremel for the work? A little info on the tools & tool heads used would be great. Congrats on the excellent results.
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Monday, October 05, 2009 - 08:47 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rob Rojo wrote on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 10:51 am:

doesn't hi-flowing them make them not stock?



Rob, they are not highflowed, I just smoothed the inlet and outlet of casting marks and opened the inlets to the same size as the gaskets. I am sure highflowing involves bigger impellers and machining of the internals etc.
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:51 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Excellent work Jeff. 11.6 is fantastic - plus I like how you have kept the exterior. :-)

Seeing the potential of this makes me wonder why I have stuck with V8 soarers for so long...

Very good though, keep it up!
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:06 pm, by:  Jamie Richards (Nwb40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:51 am:

Seeing the potential of this makes me wonder why I have stuck with V8 soarers for so long...



cause those turbos on the v8 with half the boost will the run the same time. But jeff car is running real great keep it working awsome jeff. soarer to the world!!!!
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:48 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jamie Richards wrote on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:06 pm:

cause those turbos on the v8 with half the boost will the run the same time.




Bullsh1t they would ! 2 of these turbos running 9psi would not run anywhere near a high 11 sec pass,lol .
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Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:03 pm, by:  Kurt Harrison (Aps12p) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, dropped my V8 soarer in for a single turbo setup with a T04Z turbo, will have 9-12psi (with current mods, pretty sure will do high 11s). V8s just sound better..
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Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:27 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look forward to seeing this in action !

Who is doing the work, and mind if i ask whats the list of mods ?
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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 03:41 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jamie Richards wrote on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:06 pm:

cause those turbos on the v8 with half the boost will the run the same time.


LOL no ones done it yet...the V8s seems to be dyno ponies...need to see some out on the track! ;)

Awesome time Jeff. I think the stock turbos are really underrated by a lot of people.
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:40 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was thinking the other day that I have said the timing has not been done, I should clarify that and also acknowledge Cihan's help and input with the E-manage tune. I am using one of Cihan's tunes that I have modified the fuel map on using the wideband to road tune it. I have not touched the timing map from what was done by Cihan. It could already be at the optimal power level or I could possibly get a bit more out of it. Any way thanks Cihan for you initial advice and expertise.
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:58 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If your going to run more octane fuel, then you should be able to put some more timing into it .

I would even think about keeping boost around 20psi and up the timing, as more boost may only be heating things up and not allow more timing ?

Wont know till you try Jeff :-)
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:30 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I ran a 11.61 last night, I will post the timeslips on monday. I was getting wheelspin at about 10 meters from the start. I think it might be a suspension problem, it seems to squat at the start and then bounce back and loses traction. My son is going to post the vids on youtube. Managed a 1.68 60 ft so that was an improvement.
I dropped the exhaust off and ran avgas, hopefully get a stall and tune on the dyno for the next meet.
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Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:10 pm, by:  Blake Gloyn (Blakenz) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy cow! good effort.
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 11:08 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

New timeslip and video.
The time on the description on youtube is wrong, it should be 11.618.


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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 06:09 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey well done geez you are getting these times down lol
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Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 03:01 am, by:  Jamie Richards (Nwb40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the car is flying...good stuff
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 08:44 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have had a MV Automatics 3200 stall fitted this week and am running tonight at the Test and Tune. Hopefully I can get down to 11.4 if the stall does what it's supposed to.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 12:01 pm, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi mate some very nice work there, look forward to seeing the result of the high-stall.

i have ported my t3g exhaust manifolds, and got a nice change from that but have a question for you.

how did you get that far up the intake manifolds runners.

also noticed that the t3g's turbos pressurized air exit is the same size as the gasket BUT the gasket is larger than the hard pipes (the ones between the turbos and the first intercooler pipe), did you port these pipes, if so how did you do it, as they are very long.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 12:40 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marc- for the straight bits I just used a longer length of tube with a slot cut in it and wound with emery tape. Just use heavy emery tape to start and fine to polish at the end. For getting around the bends I used some garden hose as a flexi joint with copper tube on either end. It was bit dodgy but it worked. I used a proper burr bit to open out the ends to the same size as the gasket. It's surprising how much metal you can take out with the drill and emery tape though.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 12:43 pm, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so garden hose as a flexi join with some pipe with tape, im assuming by hand?
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 12:51 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

God no, with a variable speed drill.
Marc Hoffmann
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 01:09 pm, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok now for the dumb question :-(

how do you attach the pipe to the drill?

is there a special fitting or somthing i dont have or is my imagination not working as well as it should.

cheers mate
Jeff Bedsor
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 02:02 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just used a 12mm copper tube which fitted in the drill and the garden hose and another on the end with the slot to take the emery tape.
With the long straight bits I used a 6mm bit of solid bar with a slot cut in the end with a hacksaw.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 08:00 pm, by:  Antonio Hunt (Carajo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pictures tell a thousands words?
Good Stuff Jeff!
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Monday, November 30, 2009 - 08:55 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would love to see how quick this would run with 100 shot of NOS, any plans for it in the future?

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