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John Jantzen
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 10:02 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought a Soarer dash on EBay a few years ago, which the seller "thought was from a V8". It has a white part number sticker on it with a barcode and two numbers. The first is 83010-24411, the second 457000-9112. The toyodiy.com online catalogue lists a dash with a part number of 83291-24411 as a UZZ31 dash. I couldn't find anything about 83010, but the dash certainly looks like a V8 dash. Can anyone give me any indication of what the differences in the 83xxx numbers mean?
I'm fairly sure the 457000 number is Nippon Denso's part number, but couldn't find any references online. I suppose I should just pull out the dashes and check them, but I'd rather not if I can get an easy answer.
Matthew Weaver
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 03:15 am, by:  Matthew Weaver (Spinna) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey mate the best way is go to your local toyota dealership and they will help you with the dash
Brett Moloney
DieHard
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 12:16 pm, by:  Brett Moloney (Lxsv8) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TT Dash has a different redline I believe (7000RPM) and the V8s are 6200RPM. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
John Jantzen
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Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 12:41 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew - at your suggestion -

I can only imagine what my local Toyota dealer would say - it would be pretty ugly!


Thanks Brett, but I;d have to wire it up to find
out, and I wanted to avoid doing that.
John Jantzen
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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 10:04 am, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but the car that now has this dash in it is now for sale.

The owner had seen this thread, contacted me and bought the dash, which has been reset to the correct kms. It explains the unusual part number, to some extent.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?Ntk=CarRego&distance=25&Ntt=xsc400&rego=xsc400&Dx=m ode+matchany&D=xsc400&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nne=15&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282

A right hand drive production sc400?

I'm posting this not so much to help the seller, but because I think this may be a very interesting car in Soarer history. These cars (believed to be two imported - one was written off) may have been constructed as evaluation models for the Australian market. I have read articles in Australian car magazines suggesting the SC400 was under evaluation in 1993 for introduction to the Australian market, which is commensurate with the date of this car.
Bill Terry
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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 11:31 am, by:  Bill Terry (Sideburns) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mine was the "other" one that was written off in early 2008. Never seen Japanese roads and 1st service was done at Melbourne City Lexus in 1994.
John Jantzen
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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 11:56 am, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you could spare the time to post more information and possibly photos - ie features as compared to the JDM model - I'm sure many people would be interested.
I have checked my EBay records, and I notice that I bought the dash in Dec 2005, so it cannot be out of your wreck - there must have been either at least one other, or my dash came into Australia as a part.
Mike Beck
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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:14 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


John Jantzen wrote on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 10:04 am:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?Ntk=CarRego&distance=25&Ntt=xsc400&rego=xsc400&Dx=m ode+matchany&D=xsc400&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nne=15&N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282

A right hand drive production sc400?




That is just a Soarer that has had some Lexus service books thrown in with it at the dealership. .. along with some Lexus badges. Sure it may have come to Australia new, but it would still be a a Toyota version.
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 11:42 am, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:14 pm:

That is just a Soarer that has had some Lexus service books thrown in with it at the dealership. .. along with some Lexus badges. Sure it may have come to Australia new, but it would still be a a Toyota version




I think there's possibly more to it than that. I'd like to see the compliance plate, just for starters.

Note that the specs of this car are as close to a US Sc400 as you could get from the Soarer "parts bin". Like the sc400, it has specs not unlike a base-spec uzz30, but with wood and leather, and even the leather is the tougher, unpleated type seen in an sc400.

Note also that this car was accepted for service and support from new by Lexus, and if it were a private import, even new, it's almost certain that Lexus or Toyota would not have supported it like this.
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 11:46 am, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

New link for this sale:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9675590&__Ntt=xsc400&__Qpb=true&__Dx=mode %20matchany&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=xsc400&__N=1216%20124 7%201252%201282%204294962861%20903&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&seot=1&__Ntk=CarAll&silo=1011&Cr=0&_ _Nne=15&trecs=1&__D=xsc400&__sid=1294546BD5E1
Bill Terry
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 01:13 pm, by:  Bill Terry (Sideburns) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Mike. Mine was imported by one of the ex-bosses at melb city lexus brand new. With his contacts at toyota in japan, he basically ordered a uzz30 with lexus/sc badging everywhere instead of toyota stuff..(this included horn pad, engine etc)

but like john said, the leather in mine was different to all other soarers that i have seen.

funnily enough though, it was complied as a soarer, but registered as a Lexus..go figure!

mine had service support also from lexus (warranty etc) but im guessing this was because of the dude who originally imported it..

just my 2 cents worth
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 01:54 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill, thanks for this useful post. This is starting to make some sense now. I was wondering if you remember if the compliancing was done at Toyota Australia or by one of the independent compliancing workshops?
As far as service and warranty support I think it must have been a case of nepotism ruling...
Just the same, these cars have interesting provenance compared to imported used Japanese vehicles.
Bill Terry
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 02:33 pm, by:  Bill Terry (Sideburns) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

john, from memory it was complied by a private workshop that was recommended by toyota/lexus.. hope this helps a bit..
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 02:45 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Bill, yes, this tends to support Mike's view of the situation.
Mike Beck
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:06 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


John Jantzen wrote on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 11:42 am:

Note also that this car was accepted for service and support from new by Lexus, and if it were a private import, even new, it's almost certain that Lexus or Toyota would not have supported it like this.




It's still got a Griffin badge on the wheel, 100% a Soarer from factory.

Also, ummm $16,500 AUD with 212,000kms.... rip off of the year! 1/3 of that TOPS!
Bill Terry
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:10 pm, by:  Bill Terry (Sideburns) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also, i remember by mate telling me there was only 3 like this in the country-when i purchased the car anyway in 2002. he used to be the workshop service advisor back then.

i vaguely remember him saying all 3 were imported the same way.
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:57 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:06 pm:

Also, ummm $16,500 AUD with 212,000kms.... rip off of the year! 1/3 of that TOPS!



Mike, I think that's being a little harsh. Don't forget, Soarer prices in Australia are higher than you're used to in NZ, and apart from a large number of Kms, this car seems pristine and has a full service record and known history from new. How many Soarers can you say that about? OK the price may be too high - but there's no harm in trying.....

I'm not about to say what I think it should be going for, but certainly not $5,500. If anything, I think good Soarers sell too cheaply these days.

Bill, today I went over all my old EBay transactions and found that I'd bought the dash I sold Sean in December 2005, so it wasn't from your wreck after all.
If the dash was something special - it isn't represented in UZZ30 parts listings - that does tend to support the story about there being (at least) three imported in this way. Sean said he'd bought a UZZ30 dash to replace his dash when it died, and it would not work in his car.
The part number of the dash is still a mystery, it is not on toyodiy.com, but then again I notice that site is not complete - it does not, for example have parts for earlier jzz31's, so I dare say there are other part numbers not listed.
Mike Beck
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 04:59 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


John Jantzen wrote on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 03:57 pm:

Mike, I think that's being a little harsh. Don't forget, Soarer prices in Australia are higher than you're used to in NZ, and apart from a large number of Kms, this car seems pristine and has a full service record and known history from new. How many Soarers can you say that about? OK the price may be too high - but there's no harm in trying.....




Well I've seen cheaper better deals in Australia than that car, it's nothing special in my opinion, and the seats look non OEM, never seen that odd style/stitch type compared to a normal limited.

Yes, Soarers tend to be cheaper in NZ, which is more the case now, good ones have suddenly become few and far between in the last couple of years, especially Twin Turbo models so many up for sale now are thrashed 200-350km examples for a few grand.
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 08:22 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a pov pack car no air bags ,terms,EMV,heated seats, etc $8000 flat out.
John Jantzen
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Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 09:23 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$8000 - probably more realistic than the other two extremes...
Interesting that this car has leather seats and wood dash/door trims. Those aren't typical of a POV pack, but I guess they could have been added afterwards.
Anyway - I'm out of this now - I originally posted because it seemed we may have had something interesting to share here.
It appears not, according to the 'goo roos', and I don't have any further evidence to support this being an unusual production item so I doubt that there's any point continuing this discussion.
Just in case anyone was wondering, I don't know the vendor, apart from having sold him the dash and there's nothing in it for me even if he does manage to sell it for good money. I do know that the dash which I sold him had 127k kms on it when he bought it, and he has had it adjusted to reflect the true kms.
I think that says something about how he feels about the provenenance of his car, and as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on this one...but that's just my opinion.
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 03:17 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I asked the seller for the vin number...
6T91MPV97R401X001....?? now i am confused ,anybody??
John Jantzen
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Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 06:59 pm, by:  John Jantzen (Taslex) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Putting this number into VicRoads status check, I get "a 1994 Toyota green coupe" with an engine number of 1UZ0437896.

(For my security I've substituted "n" for actual digits in the following)

My Victorian complied UZZ31, built Nov'93 has an engine number of 1UZ0433nnn, so his would be likely to be correct for a 1994 car. This car has a compliance plate VIN consisting of the prefix 6U900 followed by the factory VIN, UZZ31-00100nn.

What would be useful would be the actual frame or (factory) VIN . The number you have there is a compliance plate VIN. It is rather similar to my March '91 UZZ31, complianced in SA. This has a number of 6T91MPAAAMYDWY002 on its compliance plate, a frame number of UZZ31-00018nn and engine number of 1UZ0183nnn.

Yes, it's quite confusing isn't it? The "6T91.." cars have compliance numbers in no way related to the factory VIN. I'm wondering if "6T91.." or "6U90.." refers to either the identity of the compliancer or is related to the set of ADRs which the compliancer had to observe in compliancing the car?

Obviously the "91" in "6T91" is not about the year in which the car was built.

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