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Aiden Cheese
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 05:10 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Pacific power batteries .com wrote on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:43 pm:


14.6. Test the alternator by disconnecting the battery with the engine running.

A battery as like a voltage stabilizer or filter to the pulsating DC produced by the alternator. Disconnecting a battery while the engine is running can destroy the sensitive electronic components connected to the entire electrical system such as the emission computer, audio system, cell phone, alarm system, etc., or the charging system itself because the peak voltage can rise to 40 volts or more. In the 1970s, removing a battery terminal was an accepted practice to test charging systems of that era. That is not the case today. Just say NO if anyone suggests this.




aa1car.com wrote on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:43 pm:

WARNING: NEVER disconnect a battery when the ignition is ON, or while the engine is idling or running.
Doing so can damage electrical and electronic components.




www.automotiveforums.com wrote on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:43 pm:

Yes, with the ignition on and high idle you can blow relays, radio and other electrical equipment. You need the battery to absorb amperage and voltage spikes. Some say this is a test to see if the alternator is charging. Instead, measure voltage at the battery while the engine is running. Should be about 13.8 volts. Don't test your alternator by disconnecting the battery.




http://wiki.answers.com wrote on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:43 pm:

The battery provides voltage regulation. Without it, the bus voltage in your vehicle may exceed the working voltage of many electronics in your vehicle. Cars today have many digital electronics that are susceptible to voltage spikes and are often not well equipped to handle them. You could easily destroy the engine computer or your expensive music system for example.





Is this just a myth that's popular on the internet or do all these people/businesses have a point they're trying to convey?


answers.yahoo.com wrote on , , Despite what someone else has said:

disconnecting the battery does not cause the mean voltage in the system to increase and you are not in any way "sending 14 volts through electronics designed for 12". Sensitive electronics are all protected by voltage regulators that will maintain proper voltage levels (interesting fact: many parts of a car's electrical system run at less than 12 volts, relying upon voltage regulators to drop the voltage).


The first one to say otherwise! Good to see.


www.ehow.com wrote on , , It may not be a good idea to disconnect the battery while the engine is running:

especially with a newer model. This can make the voltage rise sharply, damage the engine control module and cause the car to stall.




I dunno I've done enough research. One person says it'll be fine because EVERY electrical component has modulators. But i think that's a lie. We pulled out the entire wiring harness inside the chaser to install into the zed, so unless those components are inside the actual case of the ecu's then i haven't seen ANY. I've seen lots of fuses though.

Aiden Cheese
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 05:21 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

This has a comprehensive "how to" read that would probably help people in the future with alternator/battery related issues.

1) CHECK BATTERY VOLTAGE AND STATE OF CHARGE
2) CHECK BATTERY CHARGING VOLTAGE
3) KEY-OFF BATTERY DRAIN
4) MEASURING BATTERY CURRENT DRAIN
5) CAUSES OF EXCESSIVE CURRENT DRAIN
6) FINDING THE CAUSE OF THE CURRENT DRAIN

Probably well worth a read :-)
Matt Petersen
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 06:49 am, by:  Matt Petersen (Mattmannz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As I posted above, disconnecting the battery can destroy the voltage regulator in the alternator.

You might get away with doing this a couple of times but it is definitely not recommended and will damage the alternator eventually.

You have to use an ammeter to check the alternator output, a multimeter isn't good enough.

Matt.
Chris Lock
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 08:19 am, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your new battery is only 250 CCA ??
isn't that a little small?
Mines 600 CCA !! though mines a v8, but still..yours should be 420 MINIMUM 550 reccommended
Rob Rojo
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 08:35 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's not advisable to do it more than once of twice and don't go turning your stereo, lights on and off and only run the car for a few seconds with the neg disconnected but don't put the neg back on till the car is off.

Anyway my money is on it being a dud battery, take it back if its under warranty and get a larger one while your there.
Matthew Sharpe
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:00 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

250CCA's is way too small for a Soarer - a battery like that is suitable for a 1500cc or smaller car with very basic electrics.

That could be your problem, a small battery like that will fail very, very quickly in a Soarer.
James Buchan
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 05:12 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 770CCA battery on mine. Starts first time every time
Murray Lund
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 07:17 pm, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A week ago I bragged about my Century battery being over 5 years old. Sure enough it died last weekend, but a sterling effort. Replaced with the same Century battery - N70ZZL. 600 CCA. $145 at Tyrepower.
Natasha D'Abreo
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 08:15 pm, by:  Natasha D'Abreo (Natashad) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i meant to write 520cca, oops... a very helpful smarty pants, put it the brushes, but the car still didnt start
Boris Siljanoski
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Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:20 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe you have ruined the replacement battery that's why it's not starting?

Try give the battery a charge then start and see how you go.

Also the slip rings should have been replaced at the same time as brushes if they were too worn.

Try get a 100% working battery to test with for the time being, steal one from your Sisters Supra during her afternoon nap this Sunday and give it a go.
James Buchan
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Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 08:32 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, got this followed up yet? any news?
Natasha D'Abreo
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Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 09:36 pm, by:  Natasha D'Abreo (Natashad) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my car may be getting fixed by someone this weekend, so hopefully itl all work out. changing the alternator
James Buchan
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Sunday, June 20, 2010 - 12:54 am, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope it fixes the problem you're having!

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