Soarer Central: Need Help With Central Locking Circuit

Soarer Central Electrical Need Help With Central Locking Circuit

Previous Next

Author

Message

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 197
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 07:51 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Would anyone be able to tell me which of the circuits above is the same as ours?
Sorry if picture is too small, not sure how to make it better
The titles are
1 Inside circuit
2.Negative trigger
3.Positive Trigger
4.Positive/negative trigger
5.Pneumatic lock connect

also, what does NC, NO, COM mean?
Thanks

Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

Posts: 1545
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 07:56 pm, by: Tom Richards (Tomr)

no normally open
nc normally closed
com common.

it refers to the connections to a relay.

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 198
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 07:59 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Thanks Tom,
Would you be able to decipher the diagram above?
and if it is compatible with our central locking?
Looking at trying to install an immobiliser myself

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 199
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 08:41 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

I believe now our cars to be negative trigger, if anyone could confirm that would be great.

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 200
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 09:05 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

This is an enlargement of the setup for negative trigger.
Can anyone advise me please

the yellow wire and yellow black go to earth
but is the white/black also going to earth?
and also going to "On" signal

could anyone also point me to the wires that gives the central locking "ON" and "OFF" signal please

Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

Posts: 1546
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 07:36 am, by: Tom Richards (Tomr)

why not update with the same brand that was removed?

also the immobilizer wires you need to use should be visible where the auto elect "repaired "them to remove the old unit

Tai Johnsen
Goo Roo
QLD
JZZ30 Pov Manual LSD & black!

Posts: 1385
Reg: 04-2006

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 11:45 am, by: Tai Johnsen (Privatejohnsen)

There is info scattered around if you search.

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/282/133761.html

Yes they are negative trigger.

Make sure this is done also.

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/51/16497.html

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 201
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 10:08 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Tom, i never saw the brand that was removed, the elect had thrown it away, i'm sure i will be able to spot the wires that it was already tapped into.
Tai, those links were a great help thanks

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 202
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - 10:10 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Forgot to add...

If i was to get a push start button, purely for the novelty, and it comes with the kit i'm looking at.....
It is saying i need to connect to the starter solenoid
Is it easily accessible?, i'm reading its not, is there an easier way to tap into it?

David Hall
TryHard
Tasmania
JZZ30 TT

Posts: 163
Reg: 06-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 04:16 pm, by: David Hall (Dr1zzle)

Joseph Kelly wrote on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 09:05 pm:

The black dot indicates joins in wires (in this case the Yellow and Yellow/Black wires). The White/Black does not join and yes, goes to the "On signal".

As for the "Push start button" the starter solenoid is mounted on the side of the starter, and as such is in a prick of a location to get to, but it IS possible.

Unless I missed it, you haven't said what year/model Soarer you have. But, as far as I know, ALL Soarer starters are located on the P/S and is 'basically' under the engine lol Trust me when I say it's a prick of a location, though you don't need to remove it, just get a wire to the solenoid. make sure you know which terminal to put it to. It will already have a single 3-4mm wire going to it.

Best of luck

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 203
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 05:09 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Thanks very much for that David, are you aware of any wires leading to the solenoid that would be easier to tap into?

Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
V8

Posts: 1548
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 06:42 pm, by: Tom Richards (Tomr)

maybe the starter wire at the Ig loom?

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 204
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 07:09 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

I was thinking that Tom

This is the diagram

Right hand setup is for the immobiliser, left hand is button start, not sure if there is a reason the button start requires to go to the solenoid rather than the engine start wire

David Hall
TryHard
Tasmania
JZZ30 TT

Posts: 165
Reg: 06-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 07:56 pm, by: David Hall (Dr1zzle)

Joseph Kelly wrote on Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 07:09 pm:
Right hand setup is for the immobiliser, left hand is button start, not sure if there is a reason the button start requires to go to the solenoid rather than the engine start wire

The engine start wire (from the Ignition) actually goes to the starter solenoid.
There are only two wires that go to a starter. One is 8mm+ and comes from the battery.
The other is 3-4mm which comes from the ignition to the solenoid. This 'triggers' the starter solenoid to allow the power go to the starter and start the vehicle.

Hope this clears it up for you. And sorry if I've explained something you already know. Obviously, I have no idea your knowledge level ;-)

Feel free to ask anything else too. I'm an auto-sparky by trade :-)

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 205
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 08:04 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Great David, just the man i'm looking for, my knowledge is very basic but i want to learn.

The question i have is with the above diagram there are 2 wires (Gray) that go to the starter solenoid, as this is very difficult to get to do you think i could tap these 2 gray wires into the yellow wire that goes to the engine start wire and it would work?

If not could you offer another suggestion?

Joseph Kelly
TryHard
N.S.W
V8

Posts: 206
Reg: 09-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 08:11 pm, by: Joseph Kelly (Phenonix)

Pm sent to you David.

David Hall
TryHard
Tasmania
JZZ30 TT

Posts: 166
Reg: 06-2012

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 08:26 pm, by: David Hall (Dr1zzle)

Joseph Kelly wrote on Saturday, June 08, 2013 - 08:04 pm:
Great David, just the man i'm looking for, my knowledge is very basic but i want to learn.

The question i have is with the above diagram there are 2 wires (Gray) that go to the starter solenoid, as this is very difficult to get to do you think i could tap these 2 gray wires into the yellow wire that goes to the engine start wire and it would work?

If not could you offer another suggestion?

First off, which yellow wire are you talking of? If you mean the one in the diagram (on the left for push start), note that that wire is NOT used for anything. There are 2x Grey - Starter solenoid, 1x Purple - Remote engine start signal, 1x Black - Ground, 1x Orange - Foot brake signal. Obviously, you know that lol. But just wanted to make sure we're on the same page as it were, as it's hard enough providing advice over the net lol

I can't understand why it needs two grey wires to go to the starter solenoid, but if that's what they suggest, then best to stick to that to avoid 'issues' later ;-). What size are the wires? If they are 2-3mm then you could safely join them into a single 4mm wire and run that to the starter