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Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 12:21 am, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi everyone. I have a very frustrating problem with my 92 tt
Two days ago I went to go out and my soarer would not crank but the night before i was driving around fine.
I have all electrics working, dash lights ect.
First thing I did was check the battery.. Results where 100% health.
Checked all engine bay fuses and footwell fuses and they where all good, Pulled the starter and suspected it was the problem and went and bought a known good one off rosta pesina's supra.
I bolted it in tonight resulting in the same result, completely dead..
I have had a friend who is a ambulance tech test the park brake switch and that has checked out fine too but now its locking in park even though the nylon rods under the shifter are all connected still (can manually press the park lock down to move still)
I have tested the trigger wire to the starter and that reads 12v upon attempting to crank, 12v wire to the starter also read 12v.
Also crawled back under the car to check all the visible plugs on the gearbox and all fine too.
What do i do? I've had my car off the road now for a few days and I need it as its my daily.
Any ideas or help will be greatly appreciated. Cheers josh
Scott Vim
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Vic
Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:35 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does not crank but does it have power. Lights including head lights and full use of stereo and everything else?
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:48 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Starter won't work unless the gear selector is in Park or Neutral. Find and test that switch?
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:52 am, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott, yes everything is operational. Dash lights headlights ect
Peter. The park brake switch tested fine and appears to be working as the fuel pump primes only in neutral and park
Will running diagnostics come up with anything?
Tom Richards
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nsw
V8

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 06:43 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you are getting 12v to the solenoid and also to the actual starter, you have a bad earth. Clean the battery connections. Also about 200mm back from the neg batt terminal, it bolts/earths to the car chassis. Unbolt it and clean the area with emery paper.

turn the lights on and try to crank the car over. If the lights dim, that also points to a bad earth
Scott Vim
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 09:10 am, by:  Scott Vim (1uz1jz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What Tom is saying I have experienced. Try wiggle the battery terminals and earth while your lights are on. Lights should not go off.
Brett Harrison
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QLD
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:11 am, by:  Brett Harrison (Bretto) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check starter relay.
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 12:20 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thankyou for the replies guys. Tom and scott I will go out shortly and have another crack
Brett the starter relay has tested fine. Also swapped it with a spare from a spare fuse box I had
Robert Day
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Victoria
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:25 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Josh,

To eliminate voltage drop etc, run a descent sized jumper lead down to the trigger wire on the solenoid either straight from the battery or even better from a good & tested jumper battery & earth the jumper battery to the engine too & even better again if you can get a jumper lead onto the starter motor main wire & then run a lead off that to the trigger wire & if it doesn't work its another dead starter motor
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:31 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks mate. Currently tinkering so Ill give that a shot.
I can confirm the starter relay is clicking when the key is turned so I think its safe to say I can rule out anything inside the car
Tom Richards
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nsw
V8

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 01:58 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you say you checked the battery? have you tried another batt or a jump start?

the clicking of the solenoid is classic flat battery , or dirty batt terminals/earth as described above.
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 02:06 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom the battery is 100%. Mate that's a ambo tech has a little machine that tests cca loads ect and came out better than what it was rated for.
Think I'm on to something guys!
Just tested a new constant 12v to starter and it engages and turns when hooked up!
Think I've found the problem.
I'll report back this arvo with hopefully a running soarer
Tom Richards
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:02 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that points to dirty batt terminals or bad earth as posted above.
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:13 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Starter solenoid was not clicking but the starter relay in the fuse box was. Up until now the starter has been dead
Robert Day
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Victoria
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:33 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to hear that you got it cranking, was that with just running the jumper wire off the battery or a jumper battery ?
Robert Day
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:39 pm, by:  Robert Day (Lexsmaz) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If its cranking jumping off the car battery it shows the engine earths etc are ok, but still could be battery connections or voltage drop somewhere, the easiest way to test battery connections is to put a volt / multi meter on the voltage setting & put one terminal of the volt meter directly on the post of the battery & put the other lead on the outside of the same battery post but on the post terminal clamp & obviously onto a metal part of the battery terminal clamp & get someone to crank the car & if the voltage stays at basically zero volts it shows the battery connections are good, if the voltage jumps up to around 12 volts its a bad connection at the battery on that terminal & then repeat the procedure the same way on the other terminal so basically you have tested the negative connector & then test the positive terminals ..
Josh Mcgrath
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TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 04:49 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I swear i replied but the post isn't here.
Thankyou robert for your replies and a big thankyou to everyone, this is why this forum is awesome!
Robert i jumped the starter off the battery in the car.
I soldered a new wire on for the 12v trigger and cleaned the plug and now it starts!
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Boris Siljanoski
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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 05:07 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

did you give Direct 12v to the Starter, or the Starter Solenoid?
Josh Mcgrath
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victoria
TT

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Monday, January 26, 2015 - 05:25 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Both mate. As it needs the constant 12v to the starter then a switched 12v (trigger) to the solenoid ;)
Darren Bauer
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Victoria
Soarer TT & Aristo TT

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Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 02:10 pm, by:  Darren Bauer (Dazmon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Josh can you go back a few steps, I have a similar problem, and I'm pretty sure its the shifter. I've got it all open at the moment, what should I be checking there?
Josh Mcgrath
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Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 04:45 pm, by:  Josh Mcgrath (Goldtt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Darren Bauer wrote on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 02:10 pm:



Hi mate, under the shift panel you should see the park brake switch, looks like a small box with white plastic linkages attached.
I had noticed on mine that the linkage had jumped off from underneath the red park lock button.
The rod pushes on with a fair amount of force but be carefull as they will be pretty fragile by now.
Let me know how you go mate.
Darren Bauer
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Victoria
Soarer TT & Aristo TT

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Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 08:33 pm, by:  Darren Bauer (Dazmon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All my linkages work fine.
But where is the actual sensor to stop the starting?
Its not on the shifter mechanism is it?

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