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David Vaughan
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 10:56 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Instead of conjecture, let us try the Society of American Engineers' publication "Tyres, Suspension and Handling" by John Dixon or "Race Car Vehicle Dynamics by W & D Milliken, published also by the SAE. There you will find that the effective camber in steer and therefore camber thrust (sideways thrust from an angled or bumpy surface) is affected by kingpin inclination which is normally designed so the axis runs through the centre of the contact patch (centrepoint steering). By using the wrong offset you separate the centre of the contact patch from the kingpin axis (defining the scrub radius) and introduce steering torque on bumps or road surface changes i.e. "tramlining"

Therefore, all low offset wheel setups (lower than designed) will handle badly.
Dominik Bloemhard
TryHard
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V6T

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 12:04 pm, by:  Dominik Bloemhard (Dominik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, I guess that answers the question of why its so illegal to change offsets in your car! And the theory sounds very logical (i aint gonna argue with a bunch of engineers and suspension designers LOL!)!

But i would like to say one thing... I had +32 offset wheels on my Soarer and they didnt tramline one tiny little bit. I could have steered with my little finger resting on the wheel (though probably not very safe regardless of offset). Maybe not as extreme as +17, but I think in the real world there are probably many more factors at play which will affect the handling characteristics. Offset is one of, but not the ONLY factor in this - thats why you hear of people with perfect offset wheels still complaining about tramlining...

So the handling may not be ideal (going by your explanation above), but depending on other factors it could be better than other soarers with worn bushes, less than perfect shock absorbers, cheap tyres etc.

Sorry about getting Off Topic Ryan!
Avin Luther
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:27 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OMG the wheels on the car in the rear are HOT!!!!!
how much how much!
James Harris
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:30 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i like his number plate !!

"RHD SEX" how good is that ! must not be many right hand drive TT soarers rollin round in California.

My mate has those wheels on his GTR, not as much dish, but very pimped out. I think they are WORKS wheels... ??
Ryan Rankovic
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Soarer TT GT-TL

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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:44 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Avin, those rims are Work Meister S1/SSR Professor...

guys ive asked to place the order on the rims, so in 6-7 weeks i should have them

any idea on prices for tyres 18x10.5
Morgan Cross
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:55 pm, by:  Morgan Cross (Morgan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ryan Rankovic wrote on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:44 pm:

if i get defected ill just put the stockies back on


What about if you are in an accident and your insurance company wont cover you because of your illegal modification.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but is it worth the risk?
Ryan Rankovic
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:58 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mmmmmmmm i know ive thought about that

ill try to get them engineered, if i cant.... well....

if im in an accident ill change the rims before the assessor comes out.. dodgy i know... but...
Avin Luther
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 10:17 pm, by:  Avin Luther (Lex_luther) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ryan, how much?


...
or where do you live / park the car at night?
Ryan Rankovic
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Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 10:31 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Avin, how much for what?

i live in delahey
sometimes park in garage, sometimes in the driveway
Dominik Bloemhard
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V6T

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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 12:52 am, by:  Dominik Bloemhard (Dominik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll probably get flamed by the wowsers, but to fit those wheels you should look at 245/35s or 255/35s. Should stretch nicely on those wheels; It'll be quite stretched, but not ridiculous. And probably not too much. It gets bad when you are looking for tyres to fit 13" wide rims. Even cheap stretched tyres are more than $400 each

Here's the link to the thread about the wheels on the cars in those pics:
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1922.0

Looks like they will fit very similar to the car in the front. He mentions it has almost no problems with just a fender roll...


Oh, and the wheels on the car in the back are Work Meisters
18x9 +17
18x10 +18
225 front/245 rear
http://vipstylecars.com/forum/index.php?topic=1550.msg15028#msg15028
Benny Gammelmark
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NSW
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 01:06 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think they'll look very good with tyres that small Dominik. I've seen undersized tyres on a deep dish and it looks .

I guess everyone is different though. As to how it will drive, try it and see.

Ryan, I think Avin wanted to know if they would be easy to nick. He probably likes them.
Ryan Rankovic
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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 01:24 am, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

rims are now mine

they just need to be shipped from japan, importer rang me up and says they should be on the container and in oz before christmas
Dominik Bloemhard
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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 09:21 am, by:  Dominik Bloemhard (Dominik) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Benny, it is definitely horses for courses. The Soarer at the back has very similar tyre fitments (245 on a 10" is similar to a 255 on a 10.5", and 245 on a 10" would be basically the same). A few people already commented on how sexy those wheels looked so i guess I'm not the only one (much like i am sure that you are not the only one who thinks it looks stupid!)

Congrats Ryan, They would look insane on your car and it would make it a very unique soarer!
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 03:33 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ryan great purchase!!!! Can't wait to see them on the Soarer (with pulled fenders and all)
Ryan Rankovic
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Friday, November 18, 2005 - 09:41 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



thanks guys, will definately post up pics once ive got them on!
if i can afford to

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