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Hays Sleiman
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Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 09:19 pm, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

Hi everyone,

I've been through alot of the threads discussing window tinting and I have decided on 18% all around. In my opinion anything less is too light and just doesn't give out that classy sexy look im after.

Okay, so the problem is that this is an illegal shade. Alot of people have 18% all around and have had no problems with cops when pulled over. The problem is with claims and the insurance companies. I'm with Just Car. I don't like them, but no one else would insure me because im still on my Ps (until May) and the car is "imported"...

Just Car claim in there policy that they will not pay a claim if
"If your car was in an unroadworthy or unsafe condition that contributed to the accident being a condition that was known to and disregarded by you."

Okay, so first question is, what if the tint didn't contribute to the accident? Say if someone hit it in a parking lot. Or if someone drove into me while i was in the car but it isnt my fault?

and second...I heard that its okay if the car is imported with the tint. What about all those mercs and the 300Cs with really dark windows? Are they getting away with it because its factory shade?

Any help on the matter would be much appreciated

Hays

Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 12:01 am, by: Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer)

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Okay, so first question is, what if the tint didn't contribute to the accident? Say if someone hit it in a parking lot.

Depends. If you didn't see the person that hit it then you're pretty much •••• outta luck. Car park bingles (if your car is stationary, say, in a line of parked cars) are usually quite minor so it might not even be worth going through insurance for it.

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Or if someone drove into me while i was in the car but it isnt my fault?

Then the other person's insurance looks after it, pending that they are insured comprehensively.

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What about all those mercs and the 300Cs with really dark windows? Are they getting away with it because its factory shade?

Privacy tint is usually only applied from the B-pillars back, so it doesn't obstruct front window (180 degree peripheral) vision. IIRC you can tint the rear sides and rear windscreen as dark as you please, just the front side windows have to be a minimum of 35% and no tint than factory allowed on the windscreen).

Hays Sleiman
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 12:34 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

Hey Jose, thanks for thee reply.

Sooo...what your saying is rear sides and back window can even be 5% legally, but the sides have to be at least 35% and i can't touch the front windscreen.

Im in VIC btw, just in case law is different in other states.

What are •• opinions on different shades? If i have 18% on sides, and 5% on side rear and rear window, would it be too obvious? Would it look stupid or only noticable if •• looking for the difference?
Sorry for all the questions, but u cant really see the difference in shades from pics on the web because of the different lighting in different pictures.

Cheers,
Hays

Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 01:30 am, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

I think you will find that all states specify 35% on any side and rear window, except SA which requires 75% for the front side windows.

Hays Sleiman
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 07:41 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

So, Jose's info is incorrecmt? I'm only confirming because I have heard as well from people who have these darker tints that the rear windows can be as dark as you please...so this is false, huh?

Aaron Casey
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:34 am, by: Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo)

35% all round and you can only touch the top 10% on the front windscreen, but 90% of cars have already had this tinted. you can only go 5% at the rear if its a light commercial vehicle. eg van or rodeo etc. these are the nsw laws anyway

and anything the insurance company can find that will stop them from handing out money they will lol

Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:43 am, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Google - "vicroads tint"

Victorian roadworthy requirements - window tinting

VicRoads state that all motor vehicles manufactured after July 1971 are required to comply with Australian Design Rule (ADR) 8/00 - Safety Glazing Material. This rule states that:

Windscreens must transmit at least 75 percent of visible light in the primary vision area (which excludes a small area along the top of the windscreen, as detailed in ADR 8/00),
All other windows other than the windscreen must transmit at least 35 percent of visible light.
No window fitted with tinting film must produce a reflectance value of more than 10 percent (a typical value for untreated glass).
It is not permitted to add tinting to the primary vision area of the front windscreen.
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There is no such thing as privacy tinting, or the above laws would be redundant, as everyone would just call it privacy tinting.

There is privacy glass, but the colour is embedded in the glass at manufacture and is not an applied tint.

Hays Sleiman
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:59 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

Stupid Laws!

Okay, thanks for all the help guys. Much appreciated!

Hays Sleiman
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Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 11:37 pm, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

umm, one more question (sorry for the hassle)...

If i was in an accident or some incident, wouldn't it be possible to remove the tint between the time of the incident and when i take the car to the mechanic the insurance companies picks out for me. Isn't it doable? Regardless of waste of money, if it can be done, wouldnt people do it all the time?

Thanks

Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:54 am, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

That would only be possible with a minor bingle.

What if the glass is broken?

In a major prang the car is usually towed and stored.

Aiden Cheese
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:30 am, by: Aiden Cheese (Chillpen)

Peter Nitschke wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:54 am:

In a major prang the car is usually towed and stored.

That is, any prang which would have compromised the cars ability to drive. So someones rear tow bar puncturing your frontmount to somoenes bullbar knocking off your muffler.

Hays Sleiman
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 12:05 pm, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

Okay, I've decided to go 18%, I went to tint-a-car today and they showed me a car with 18% and it was light! even though in pics over the net it looks pitch black!
They also told me it would look even lighter on my car because the other car had black interior and my car has the light gray interior...
I would like to go 5% but i think thats TOO much of an attraction next to 18%...so might just settle for 18%...not too dark and not too light

Peter Nitschke
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 12:32 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

At 5% you would have difficulty seeing clearly during the day time let alone at night. People with 20% often say they have to wind the window down to read street signs. Nice in bad weather.

The rules aren't there just to stop your car from looking cool.

Damian Ware
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:31 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Hays 18% is too dark the darkest I would go if anything was legal is 25% if you think 18% is too light get in a car and go for a drive that has that tint.

On a side note I had no problems with Justcars and thought they did there end of the deal perfectly.

Hays Sleiman
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 10:31 pm, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

okay, maybe i will go 25%...

What was your story with just car? Did u have an illegal tint?

Miles Baker
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:56 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Peter Nitschke wrote on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:43 am:
VicRoads state that all motor vehicles manufactured after July 1971 are required to comply with Australian Design Rule (ADR) 8/00

Hee hee hee! I'm gonna paint my windows black.

But seriously, the laws are there for a bloody good reason. They're not "stupid". You've got to be able to see the road properly at night. I'm not sure how black windows make your car look "sexy". More like wanky.

Hays Sleiman
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 02:18 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

thats your opinion. And i think the black windows on the silver make it look hot, you don't have to agree but each to his own...
yeah the laws are there for a reason but some of them are stupid. You can't deny that.

Anyways, thanks for all the input guys.

Chris Ryan
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 06:56 am, by: Chris Ryan (Ryzan)

Need to move up to Darwin Hays, you can legally have up to 15% on the rear sides and rear window,

but still have to have 35% on the drivers and passenger windows.

Hays Sleiman
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 08:41 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

i don't think i'd mind that actually haha maybe someday me and some mates might plan a road trip...

Damian Ware
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 09:01 am, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Hays Sleiman wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 10:31 pm:
okay, maybe i will go 25%...

What was your story with just car? Did u have an illegal tint?

I had no illegal modifications nor do I now but my car was run into by someone else who did a hit and run, car was a write off and they paid not much else to it.

The majority of young import owners are with Just Cars and the majority of them don't have a problem with them.

As to the tint seriously go for a drive at night in a dark tinted car you will find visability is seriously impared if you tint you car make sure it is leagl.

Hays Sleiman
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 01:29 pm, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

Thanks for the advice Damian. I'll do just that...just a matter of finding a tinted car, I'm in no rush. I was just shocked by how light 35% was when i saw it in person.

Cheers

Dan McColl
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 09:56 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

20% is very very dark at night, to the point of being difficult to see out of in anything less than a VERY brightly lit up area.

I wonder if you can get windows with the same stuff on them that they use on eye glasses that go from clear to dark depending on the light??

Hays Sleiman
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 05:40 am, by: Hays Sleiman (Hays1530)

that would be pretty awsome...and expensive! Isn't a pair of those glasses close to a grand?

Matthew Sharpe
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 10:11 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Photochromatics - no you can pick up a set of photochromatic sunnies for under $100.

Joshua Rao
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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 04:30 am, by: Joshua Rao (Soaren1)

Peter Nitschke wrote on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:43 am:
There is no such thing as privacy tinting, or the above laws would be redundant, as everyone would just call it privacy tinting.

There is privacy glass, but the colour is embedded in the glass at manufacture and is not an applied tint.

This is spot on. My legnum has this 'black glass' I fear to think if it ever got cracked how I would replace it

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