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Shane Ilich
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:31 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, left my car parked in the uni carpark yesterday, had managed to keep it garaged during the extreme heat we've had here in Perth for the last few days, but didnt have a choice yesterday and had to park it in the sun all day.

Got in the car yesterday afternoon, and discovered the roof lining has sagged from the roof of the car, and is hanging down, essentially half-obscuring my view from the rear-view mirror.

Anyone come across this before? Any suggestions on reattaching it? I'd prefer not to have to remove it and reglue it, trying to figure out whether there's some way I can cut a small hole somewhere unobtrusive and spray in some adhesive or something. For the moment I'vegot magnets hoding the cloth lining up and out of the way so I can fully see out of the rear view.

Worse comes to worse, I'll take it to an interior trimmer and get them to redo it properly.
Kieran McIlwain
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:56 pm, by:  Kieran McIlwain (Exocet) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Magnets! Great idea, I've had exactly the same thing happen here in Brisbane. Sucks don't it :-(
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:58 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Previous suggestions have been to use glue in a syringe.
Graham Dollisson
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:11 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The only way to get it to look right, is to take it to a pro. You wont regret it!
Kieran McIlwain
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:26 pm, by:  Kieran McIlwain (Exocet) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Graham - I've been looking for someone to do it here in Brisbane and come up short, do you have any recommendations?
Neil Griffiths
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:43 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ONLY way,,

REMOVE it.... then separate it, then use Spary Contact...Its DRY..

You try injection something moist up there it will only drip back through and be patchy..

You have 1 BAR working against you :-) heheh















14.7psi = GRAVITY
Graham Dollisson
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:10 pm, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I haven't needed to use a motor trimmer as yet....but the good old yellow pages gives some hints...

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http://www.yellowpages.com.au/search/postCategorySearch.do?headingCode=25224&bookId=21&businessType= auto+upholstery&areaId=1064&locationClue=brisbane&stateId=4,http://www.yellowpages.com.au/search/pos tCategorySearch.do?headingCode=25224&bookId=21&businessType=auto+upholstery&areaId=1064&locationClue =brisbane&stateId=4}

this one looks interesting....1 hour roof linings,
http://www.allvehicleupholstery.com.au/
Ben Socratous
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:14 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 08:43 pm:

14.7psi = GRAVITY


BABOWWWWW, I'm sorry, that answer is incorrect. 14.7psi=atmospheric pressure. 9m/s/s=gravity :-)
Neil Griffiths
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:16 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Socratous wrote on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:14 pm:

BABOWWWWW, I'm sorry, that answer is incorrect. 14.7psi=atmospheric pressure. 9m/s/s=gravity




Who cares ? It just sounded good
Shane Ilich
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 10:18 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's been suggested to me that the only real logical explanation is to chop the roof, turn it into a convertible...saves the roof lining from coming loose again in the future

I think an upholsterer is going to have to be the go. I had a look at it tonight, I'll never get it looking neat. Gonna have to be a pro job
Sean Fair
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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 03:21 am, by:  Sean Fair (Sean_fair) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My roof lining sags too, not quite as bad as you describe though.

I pulled down my door/roof trim and I think I am going to try just using a light film of spray adhesive. It's not sagging too bad, so I think I will be able to do a good job myself.

However, it won't be happening until it warms up over here. You guys complain about it being to hot, I contend with snow and temperatures well into the negatives. No heated garage, either :-(


If you could, watch how he does it and what products he uses. I'm sure a few of us would be interested in that info!
Dan McColl
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Friday, February 02, 2007 - 03:53 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will be a spray contact adhesive. I have the glue, I have the time, Just need to get off my ass and do it.

Ben Socratous wrote on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:14 pm:

9m/s/s=gravity


9.8 Mt/s/s = Acceleration due to gravity. At sea level under ISA conditions. (same goes for atmospheric pressure.)
James Harris
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Friday, February 02, 2007 - 05:33 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 07:58 pm:

Previous suggestions have been to use glue in a syringe.




just dont walk into your local servo/shop holding up the syringe in your search for a decent glue.

***
But on another note, this happend in my dad's old taxi and he just paid for someone to come out and do it, took them about 45 minutes and didnt cost that much from memory (i'd ask my father but he is in NZ.. bro)
Kieran McIlwain
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Friday, February 02, 2007 - 05:51 pm, by:  Kieran McIlwain (Exocet) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I'm just going to get it done at the link above. I'd say it'd be less than $100, and I'd rather have it done right.
Callum Finch
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Friday, February 02, 2007 - 06:53 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 09:16 pm:

Who cares ? It just sounded good



Best answer _EVER_
Leon Wright
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Monday, February 05, 2007 - 12:09 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shane, mine went like that on friday arvo. Jumped into my car, shut the door and it sagged onto my head!

I believe the method is to pull all the trim off, remove it along with the card board liner, spray adhesive and a coolish iron. Then refit, i'm sure it sounds much easier in theory!

Going to pull mine out and get a mate to repair it and put it back in again some time this week.
Andrew McKenzie
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Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:03 pm, by:  Andrew McKenzie (Andymac) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have had the same problem with my previous US made cars due to the Australian summer heat. The only way to do it properly is to remove the headlining, then have a motor trimmer remove the old headlining cloth, and use a new cloth/felt without a foam backing. The motor trimmer will scrape off the old foam from the cardboard/plastic} shell and glue the new cloth felt to the shell.
Dan McColl
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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 01:16 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, Today I got exited. I had a can of spray adhesive (I now know you need at least 3) and some spare time. The car was already in the garage so I figured "I'll pull the rooflining out and re-glue it"

The procedures for pulling the lining out I'm sure are explained here somewhere or most likely in the archives, but it's not a hard job at all.

So next step, the lining is on the floor, peel the fabric off the backing CAREFULLY. The hardest bit is getting the foam to come off with the fabric. Main problem is you end up with bits of foam on the backing and bits on the fabric. Like this.


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The drama with this is that if you miss by even 1 mm when putting it back on, you get lines and stuff show through. (like mine now does)

Any way. I thought it would be a good idea to peel back half, glue it. then do the other half. That way there should be half in the original position to assist with lining up the other half. Easy, I thought.

It's not that easy.

I did it on my own, but if you could rouse up 4 or 5 helpers would be ideal.

Anyway, I used spray contact adhesive, from Burson's, about $10 a can. Seemed to work well, only you need 3 cans to do the job. (I had 1, I also live 50 km from the nearest parts store.) So I ended up using a brush and some old contact glue I had laying around.

Follow the glue manufacturers instructions, and when it's tacky, very carefully lay the lining back over the backing and press into position. BE AWARE- you only get 1 go at it, so if it's in the wrong place TOO BAD. you will destroy it trying to remove it from fresh glue.

So anyway, now my lining doesn't sag, but it has lines in it. Sorry, no pics of the finished product, yet.

My Advice.
1, buy a good one from a wreckers.
2, buy a new one from Toyota
3, Pay a GOOD trimmer to do the work.

In that order. Unless you have done trimming and stuff before, it's probably best not to attempt it yourself.
Grant Maxwell
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Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:10 pm, by:  Grant Maxwell (Gmaxx) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had the same problem so I had it re trimmed...only cost $250 and looks fantastic
Leon Wright
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 03:34 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just repaired mine this evening! Fortunately I had a friend who was experienced in repairing roof linings as he does most of the interior work on the vehicles he's owned.

Took 1 can of Septine (can't remember the spelling) Contact adhesive from Super Cheap. Peeled the lining back, brushed the crap off it, gave it a good spray on the lining and the material. Then the 2 of us with a little help from his daughter, carefully bit by bit (after lining up the front section) smoothed it all the way to the back. Was a little offline, but the stretch in the material was pretty forgiving. After smoothing it firmly, got the vacuum out (using the 3 inch wide flat attachment) went over the entire thing.

Trimmed over hang from the stretch and refitted. Couldn't be happier, looks neat and in pretty good shape considering the condition of it in the first place. No wrinkles at all :-)

How have you gone with yours Shane?
Shane Ilich
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 12:20 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha - ummm, at the moment I've been puttingmy money towards a new clutch and lightened flywheel...

So i've just been driving with the windows down, which blows the sag in the lining backwards away from my head and I dont notice it :-)

Leon - if your mate is looking for a cash job, let me know.
Adam Peterson
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 03:21 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just a little idea.. and i know its a little odd but, if you place a layer of alfoil in the roof lining, will that repell a lot of heatsoak in the lining and inparticular the car cabin in hot days ?

btw, im a designer and i think of odd things :-)
Kim Nguyen
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 03:31 pm, by:  Kim Nguyen (Kim) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy uni has started? damn didn't realise
hmmm strange my uni hasnt sent me anything =S
Tim Appleton
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 04:00 pm, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alfoil will reflect a lot of radiation, but will still conduct heat normally.

If the top of the roof was coated in alfoil (in place of your paint) then it would reflect a lot of the heat away from the roof intially. Once the heat has been absorbed by the roof then any layers of alfoil underneath will not reflect any heat unless there is an air gap. There will still be a fair bit of heat conducted once the air in the gap heats up.

You might try an experiment with a piece of alfoil glued to the underside of a piece of foam sitting in the sun, and see if it is cooler underneath than just an ordinary piece of foam sitting in the sun.

Insulating foam for marine engine bays has foil to reflect the heat, but that is different to what you are talking about as the foil is on the hot side.
Kieran McIlwain
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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 08:21 pm, by:  Kieran McIlwain (Exocet) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Got mine done at All Vehicle Upholstery as listed above for $170, complete replacement and excellent job. Done in less than an hour too!
Leon Wright
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Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:51 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shane, seriously it was pretty easy :-)

Just need a couple of people who are patient, as if ya take it easy it will go well.

The Vacuum with the 4inch flat surfaced head attachment was the finishing touch though.

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