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Damian Ware
TryHard
Victoria
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 09:58 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a daily driver there are stock 1J's pulling around the 300rwkw mark. Nothing but oil changes to keep them going.

Russell's TT has 280rwkw on a street tune and it has been reliable for about 3 years with nothing but oil changes.
Chris Davey
Goo Roo
QLD
Corona

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 11:04 am, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben: info on this 768hp engine? How do you work out that power? Has it been engine dynoed?

1/4 mile times or dyno queen?

I see no reason why the 1j couldn't rev just as hard as an rb26. I don't know the stroke or rod/stroke ratio for rb26 though.

The rb26 head is supposably very good though and I think the 1jz head is designed for low down torque and when we start whacking big turbos on them, the head and cams need to be looked at to shift the torque curve up.

1jz747 is the highest hp 1jz in oz that I know of and the Hardcore racing soarer. Both trap 134 & 135mph in pretty heavy cars.
Savo Reg
TryHard
ACT
Soarer 2.5L TT

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 12:50 pm, by:  Savo Reg (Savo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

2jz rips apart rb26's they are doing 800hp with stock internals i like and rb26 to hold to that....
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 02:29 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sure if you pushed your 2jz hard enough you could outdo.. f@!#$ it, just put a freaking 1GZ in with twin blowers.
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
GT35R Single T

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 03:15 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Savo Reg wrote on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 12:50 pm:

2jz rips apart rb26's they are doing 800hp with stock internals i like and rb26 to hold to that....



I'm not going to argue with that, all I'm saying is people here need to stop being so one-eyed. I know it's a Soarer forum, but that doesn't make every other car/engine crap.

I know some run 2JZ's with ~800rwhp on stock internals, but that doesn't mean they all will.
I don't quote cars in Japan, nor cars in America, all I will use an example is cars that I know of here in Perth.
For example, an R33 GT-R over here has been running 533rwhp on stock internals for quite some time now. While I've seen a 2JZ let go with less than 350rwhp and stock turbos.

1JZ/2JZ motors are great, they have high tolerances, but they are not indestructible.
Chris Davey
Goo Roo
QLD
Corona

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 04:20 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1JZ/2JZ motors are great, they have high tolerances, but they are not indestructible.

I agree. All comes down to the tune and the supporting mods to make the power reliably.
Drew Hiron
TryHard
Queensland
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:06 pm, by:  Drew Hiron (Frag) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol Paul, you sound like you have nissan blood under the hood. You honestly can't say you've never seen a RB26 with that kind of power blow its top?

If it were possible (and its not) i bet my Soarer that per capita there are more RB26's blowing then both Toyota engines combined.
Ben Socratous
Goo Roo
SA
I am the fibreglass/kevlar/carbonfibre king!

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:29 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That theory is slightly flawed as there are more skylines getting around that soarers and supras combined!

I met a guy today that is running a RB26 with 386 4wdkw, he has also spent just over $34k on the motor, and another $23k on gearbox, brakes and suspension. Once you start getting into the upper eschilon of performance (like what I have just mentioned) the reliability of ANY motor is increased as you strip it down completely, then build it specifically to handle that power. Take a look at the JUN supra that they used in the ultimate speed challenge, anyone care to guess what that motor would be worth?
Drew Hiron
TryHard
Queensland
Soarer TT

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:32 pm, by:  Drew Hiron (Frag) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last line, half way thru, "per capita"
Ben Socratous
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SA
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Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:42 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Chris Davey wrote on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 11:04 am:

Ben: info on this 768hp engine? How do you work out that power? Has it been engine dynoed?



Yes, engine just came back from Sydney last week. Has also had extensive head work and a rather aggressive cam setup. Basically outside of the block, I don't think that there is much toyota stuff left in it!


Chris Davey wrote on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 11:04 am:

1/4 mile times or dyno queen?



Neither, he is aiming to have the fastest 1J powered vehicle, hence the bonnet, boot, fenders, dash and doors have all been carbonfiberised. With the new rims, cage and seat, the dry weight is just a tad over 1000kg. Once the car comes back from the USA for its high speed run, it will be de-tuned slightly and used as a drift car on the pro circuit. He already has a sizeable cheque from Tectalloy to support these activities, heck I'd even advertise their product for that amount of money!
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:55 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nissan do know how to make good, reliable engines, its often the rest of the car that lets it down.
Chris Davey
Goo Roo
QLD
Corona

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 09:19 am, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fastest as in salt flats racing?

I know of one that has gone over 200mph. It wasn't a "car" as such though.
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
GT35R Single T

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:12 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Drew Hiron wrote on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:06 pm:

lol Paul, you sound like you have nissan blood under the hood. You honestly can't say you've never seen a RB26 with that kind of power blow its top?



I've seen an RB26 do a big end with less than 400rwhp. All I'm saying is I've also seen 2J's let go at less than this.
Maurice Diggler
TryHard
Victoria
Twin Turbo

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:59 pm, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fair enough, I think the point everyone is trying to get across is that JZ > RB. Not that the RB is crap.
Scott Ferguson
TryHard
Alberta
Soarer GTT-L

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Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 02:29 am, by:  Scott Ferguson (Scott_ferguson) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Don Bagnall
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New Zealand
I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(

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Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 07:17 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ha!
Mike Beck
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Ellerslie
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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 09:09 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave Hart
DieHard
Waikato
UZZ32

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Friday, November 10, 2006 - 12:12 pm, by:  Dave Hart (Davyboy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good one Don.
Sean Tusler
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 TT

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Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 10:15 pm, by:  Sean Tusler (Viperlover55) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey Don thats not fair i used to drive a BMW i often considered using my indicator but thought the little people would be scared by the flashing lights so i thought it best just to swerve without notice.

Back to the topic, Nice clean soarer, pithy about the motor.

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