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Blaine Hanson
TryHard
WA
1991 GT, 1993 GT, 1993 LTD, 1997 LTD

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 01:19 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought a V8 1993 Soarer recently off ebay - $2500. I also paid $25k for my dream Soarer - a 1997 this year, that I have no intentions of selling. I am very happy with both buys.



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Matt Gill
Tinkerer
North Island
TT

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 06:04 pm, by:  Matt Gill (Drifter4ag) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bah .. soon as people really get into racing & drifting them then the value will go back up a bit
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 06:09 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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David Vaughan
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ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 06:26 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do not think too many people worry about depreciation of their car so much as have decision regret when it appears they could buy "their" car so much more cheaply today.

That makes it hard ever to buy a computer or a mobile phone, where you are practically guaranteed to get twice the product or half the price in a year.

My car was good value for money when I bought it. No better deal was evident at the time. The car continues to fulfil my expectations of it. Therefore, nothing has changed that value.
Mike Bradberry
TryHard
Queensland
V8 Limited

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 07:55 pm, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paid $18,500 and spent an extra $5,000 on it and I'm not interested in selling at any price. I have my value and I guess it can't be measured in dollars.
Jan Christiansson
TryHard
NSW
Soarer V8 SC Manual

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 08:45 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paid $38000 in Jan 2000, since then fuel cost 10508.24, parts 31894.83 and labour for service and those parts 27565.79.
Total cost $107968.86 + Insurance and rego.
Dennis Tito
Tinkerer
Victoria
TT manual

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 10:30 pm, by:  Dennis Tito (Dennis) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

like the ad said... soarer manual tt with goodies $25K.. days on cruises, dyno's, drags and recognition... priceless.. we all have gone through it and I haven't met one soarer owner who doesn't regret buying.
Blaine Hanson
TryHard
WA
1991 GT, 1993 GT, 1993 LTD, 1997 LTD

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 08:52 am, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, I think you pretty much summed it up. I believe a lot of the younger members who have not owned many cars are just learning some of life's lessons. Long live the Soarer - whatever it's market value!
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 01:21 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah my car devalues, to be expected, it's almost like buying a new car because so many get imported in and as more come in the price obviously goes down according to that wonderful law of supply and demand.
However as Dennis says, I am also paying for the lfiestyle that comes with this car. It is a great social thing (cruises, meeting up regularly with other owners just to catch up) and even a sporting tool (drag racing championship winner). All of this stuff would not be happening if I did not have a Soarer so everytime I look at someone else in another normal car I just think that.
Hey Blaine you are posting lots lately!
Paul Christian
Tinkerer
WA
Soarer JZZ31

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 02:58 pm, by:  Paul Christian (Paul_christian) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whenever I have these thoughts about devaluation, fuel / maintenance costs etc I take my girlfriend's Hyundai Accent for a drive. Conclusion: Soarers are worth every cent.
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria
Bog Standard Active

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:46 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dennis Tito wrote on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 10:30 pm:

I haven't met one soarer owner who doesn't regret buying.


I've not once regretted buying mine.


Paul Christian wrote on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 02:58 pm:

Whenever I have these thoughts about devaluation, fuel / maintenance costs etc


I just look at my XF and come to the same conclusion.
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:08 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm with Dan. I have spent almost as much as i paid for the car in repairs.. but i wouldnt look back for a second. I love it!

My lil Corolla box is a light drinker and i love flogging that thing around. Disposable cars have their uses =P
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 01:01 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Paul Christian wrote on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 02:58 pm:

Whenever I have these thoughts about devaluation, fuel / maintenance costs etc I take my girlfriend's Hyundai Accent for a drive. Conclusion: Soarers are worth every cent.




I've been driving my gf's Festiva for the past 6 weeks while my car's disabled, so looking forward to jumping into it when it's fixed... don't care it's costing me a few grand to fix it, I know it will be worth it as soon as I start driving it again :-)
Jose-Antonio Castillo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer VVTi

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 01:06 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dan McColl wrote on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 10:46 pm:

I just look at my XF and come to the same conclusion.



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Whenever I'm out of my Soarer (as I am now) I have to drive either a Tarago or a Yaris. When I had the Leone and drove that you can appreciate how much more car you get from a Soarer
Jan Christiansson
TryHard
NSW
Soarer V8 SC Manual

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 04:18 pm, by:  Jan Christiansson (Janoc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't regret any of my spendings on the car and I continue to spend, because I love the car, but you need to have the money, not borrow, that can be very expensive.
Adam Barry
DieHard
WA
UZZ30

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Friday, November 17, 2006 - 05:27 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been quite lucky so far - apart from my top tank blowing, I've had no mechanical dramas at all, so I haven't had to pay much more beyond my regular servicing. And I'll admit I overpaid a little for the car in the first place. But not once have I had a single regret. I absolutely love the soarer. And even when I see some going for half the price I paid for mine, it really doesn't bother me. My only concern is that as prices fall, some soarers may fall into the hands of less respectful owners.
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 04:00 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Adam, you had half of your car's body rebuilt didnt you? =P
Hayden Miller
Tinkerer
QLD
Soarer TT

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 09:56 am, by:  Hayden Miller (Zero) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does any one think eventualy the prices will go back up? My therory is as they all sell off cheap, people (mainly kids) will mod them with unsightly body kits, crash them, blow them up or eventualy retire them. Leaving a small selection availible to purchase, the majority of that selection have been well cared for by folks like us and they become some what of a rare car.

Its not the best example but if you compare the amount of r32 skylines on the road today to the amount 5 years ago there is half as many. Now many r32's are priced higher than r33's and there are not as many for sale (in good condition)

We forget that soarers are not being made anymore and as they near extinction there values will go through the roof... let them sell there cars for 7k to kid racers, let the kid racers destroy them, because every soarer that gets taken off the road bumps the price of mine up ever so slightly.
Graham Dollisson
DieHard
QLD
GTTL Morris Marina P76

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 10:22 am, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good theory Hayden, But I can't see that happening for a long time. I would think that would happen with Skylines as they are a bit of a cult car.
Soarer a cult car....I doubt it.
Hayden Miller
Tinkerer
QLD
Soarer TT

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 10:41 am, by:  Hayden Miller (Zero) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dunno Graham... we have a pretty strong following. I see it happening over say 5 years.
Don Bagnall
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I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:15 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I kinda agree with your philosophy Hayden.

BUT I still say that the TOP examples will still fetch the RIGHT money from the knowledgeable, financially comfortable buyers.

Of which there is a small pool (sadly ).

It's been discussed a zillion times before, but once you get to certain stage of life, where you've achieved the house, wife, kids, sheep, good long term enjoyable employment, sheep and a generally settled future, that's when you think.......Shall I buy a "Fixer-upper" type Soarer (which like it or not, a hell of a lot of em are!), or shall I buy a TOP example and pay TOP bucks for it.

I wuz fortunate in getting a GOOD (but, not MINT) example for a cheaper than normal price................Bargains DO exist, but in reality they're rare.

Mike Beck's car was a steal at $6k(NZD) for a very clean car that'd been owned for yonks by a couple of old foggies who'd had it serviced religiously for years.

But I take me hat off to the guy's n' guyess's who don't have a crap-load of disposable income, WANT the Soarer experience and are prepared to put up with a bit (lot!) of financial pain and suffering to get their Soarers up to a level where others will admire & envy

In MY case, I'm too friggin lazy to spend me weekends tinkering around, so I'd rather pay lotsa bucks for a minty-poo example........

Sooo to sum up. If ewe's have a mint Soarer that ewe wanna flog.............then wait for a fat, lazy, middle aged Soarer (and Sheep! ) lover to pay da mornay that ya car DESERVES

TOP, UBBER-MINT cars like Rob Hayden's & Andrew Vlamos's will always attract the owners and money they deserve.

Average but GOOD cars will tend to get dragged down to the level of the crap-box low $k dungers because someones "Fulli Sik Bro" LOOSER mate who wouldn't know a decent anything! let alone a Soarer if he saw one tells him that ANY Soarer is only worth $8k MAX!!

Go buy a Falodore you weanies it's what you so richly DESERVE!............Leave quality cars to quality people who can appreciate a damn fine hunk o' car when they see it!

Well, that wuz long n' boring...........time for a nap

Soarer FTW!
Hayden Miller
Tinkerer
QLD
Soarer TT

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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:08 pm, by:  Hayden Miller (Zero) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Don Bagnall wrote on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:15 am:

BUT I still say that the TOP examples will still fetch the RIGHT money from the knowledgeable, financially comfortable buyers.




Couldn't agree more Don!
Ashley Leach
TryHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 GT Limited

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 07:10 pm, by:  Ashley Leach (Ashlar) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Every day I get in my car to drive to work I thank god I'm not driving a commodore.

I'm more than happy with my Soarer, I really love it.

Sure, I get a little disheartened when things go wrong and I have to fix (new air con compressor is the latest saga) and the savings dip a little. But I didn't buy a 1991 car and not expect things to need doing to get it too my liking. I'm not the most wealthy person around here, probably far from it, but it's good getting around in a nice tidy car that a LOT of people that I know envy. (despite the Nissan rims)

I did get a bargain with my car, but I'm looking at keeping it for a long, long time. It doesn't matter to me if the car devalues. I don't really care if it becomes a "cult" car either, theres always going to be some of us here to help each other out. Soarer's are always a car that will pull more than a few looks, and that's more than enough for me.
Ian Johnston
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ30 GT 4.0

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 07:59 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a BA XR6 as a company vehicle, and I would not trade my Soarer for one.
I still enjoy driving the Soarer as much as I did when I bought it, and would have 2 if I could afford it.
My wife uses ours as an every day car, as we have no other car.
Cant get her out of it now.
For the price you only end up with a Crommydore, or a Fowlcan, so no contest mate.
Hayden Miller
TryHard
QLD
Soarer TT

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Monday, November 27, 2006 - 09:38 pm, by:  Hayden Miller (Zero) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How does it compare to the XR6 Ian... as im considering one for a second car?

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