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Adrain Parsons
TryHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt
Posts: 105
Reg: 08-2005
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Is the ALSC back again? i thought it was moved to here? im lost, can anyone shed some light on this ? |
Damien Smith
DieHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31
Posts: 761
Reg: 07-2005
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It was relocated to here until Pen removed Rob's moderator access. Considering Rob founded the ALSC it's a mutiny of the highest order in my book!
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Adrain Parsons
TryHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt
Posts: 106
Reg: 08-2005
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so is this forum going to stop? do we have to go back to alsc? like the old days? |
Rob Andreacchio
DieHard
Victoria
Supercharged VT Calais & 1991 JZZ30
Posts: 2648
Reg: 01-2005
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Both forums will still be running, but we are more than happy for you to rejoin the ALSC forums  |
Damien Smith
DieHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31
Posts: 762
Reg: 07-2005
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I doubt SC will stop so it's your choice. Now the proper ALSC is back and seems to be attracting a lot of the original members again I don't think I'll spend much time here anymore.
Plus the Archives will have to go back over as they belong to Rob. |
Josh Brederode
Tinkerer
QLD
mz20 T
Posts: 11
Reg: 04-2007
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ok i don't get it? was im new sorry can someone explain. was it orginally all one forum then it went down or something?? |
Rob Andreacchio
Goo Roo
Victoria
Supercharged VT Calais & 1991 JZZ30
Posts: 2649
Reg: 01-2005
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Josh Brederode wrote on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 07:53 pm:ok i don't get it? was im new sorry can someone explain. was it orginally all one forum then it went down or something??
The ALSC ran it's own forum a few years ago.. It was agreed upon that if certain conditions were met, we would be happy for SC to use the ALSC archive and move all the members across to here.
So the original forum has been resurrected. |
Robert Hayden
Goo Roo
Victoria
2 x 1991 UZZ32, 1991 UZZ32 Supercharged, 2 x UCF11 Celsior 1990, 2 x Ferrari Testarossa, Range Rover Vogue SE.
Posts: 1111
Reg: 07-2005
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And the rights to use my banner, ALSC logo, and archives has been revoked in an email to the owner of Soarercentral. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7724
Reg: 11-2004
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Guys, Soarer Central will continue pretty much as it always has done.
The option of another forum won't change that.
It is pleasing to see that there hasn't been any slagging from the Soarer Central side, and I thank the members here for that.
Reepa, there were no "conditions to be met". I still have the original MSN conversation with RH about the changeover.
RH, the ALSC archive forum has been deleted and the banner will go shortly. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 2600
Reg: 10-2005
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Why do all good things come to an end?
Oh god, I'm quoting Nelly Fertado. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7729
Reg: 11-2004
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And someone said I must be desperate for members. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2260
Reg: 07-2005
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Josh, the original forum was part of the ALSC.
There was a crash of some sort and, as Reepa said, Pen took over the forum part of the ALSC with Soarercentral.
Rob Hayden was and always will be the Founder and President of the ALSC.
Recently, Pen removed Rob's moderator status here on soarercentral without prior discussion or consultation.
Then, to add insult to injury, has removed Reepa's Mod status as well, stating that Reepa had resigned to run his own forum.
Pen appears to be basically mutineering against the ALSC with some sort of dictatorship regime.
So with that, the ALSC forum has been setup at www.alscforum.com and that will be where the ALSC is based.
The ALSC homepage is www.lexusaustralia.org and a lot of good info is to be found there, too.
I'm sure SC will continue to run, but there has already been a mass exodus of most of the original ALSC members and also the most knowledgeable people when it comes to the in's and out's of Soarer's.
My advise is to check out the new forum, See if you like it better. Make up you're own mind about where you would like to be. |
Ron Bassett
Tinkerer
Victoria
v8 LTD
Posts: 19
Reg: 04-2007
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Is there any reason why they should be mutually exclusive? Why can't people read both? I have been told the original was set up as Lexus Australia Owners Register by Robert Hayden sort of like an email in questions and he would email out or respond to questions on the website. This became too time consuming and activity died off. Then in 2001 a small group of people talked about an Australian forum to rival LSOC(on which many Australians regularly contributed) in the UK. The first activity was a meet in Bayswater of 59 cars and cruise to follow. There was consternation in the formation group as to whether to call it LAOR(Hayden) or ALSC(the 4 others) and eventually ALSC as a tag won out. The ALSC as a name has been around since 2001 not 10 years as some have proclaimed. The hayden connection has been with both for 10 years as I understand it. If I have any facts wrong someone please correct my gleaned facts/heresay. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 2607
Reg: 10-2005
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Ron Bassett
Tinkerer
Victoria
v8 LTD
Posts: 20
Reg: 04-2007
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I have just trolled the new site and the language in some posts and picture of tatooed male organ probably will suit a boys club approach. Not sure if it is Soarer related. I am making no judgement on relative merit but urge people,as Dan has, to make their own judgement. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2261
Reg: 07-2005
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Ron Bassett wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:54 am:Is there any reason why they should be mutually exclusive? Why can't people read both?
No reason, and they are more than welcome to. It will always be the individuals choice.
We're just trying to make the public aware of the underlying circumstances behind the split. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7731
Reg: 11-2004
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Dan, as you well know, the mutiny is in fact people living in the past and wanting to have "the good old days" back. The reality is however, that those days have gone.
Today, Soarers are cheaper and more plentiful. So we get more and younger members coming along.
Those people are also coming to a forum with over 150,000 posts, so sometimes finding the information can be daunting.
End result is that there is a tendency for the younger people to use SMS-speak, and for everyone to ask a question that has been asked before.
The SMS-speak we can (and do) deal with, but a little tolerance can go a long way towards helping newbies to become contributing members of the community.
Let's imagine for a minute that everyone left SC and went to the new forum. What would you expect to be different to what it has been here?
Exactly the same issues, but perhaps without the effort to control SMS-speak.
If you actually remember the old ALSC, there were attempts made to control it, without success. Threats but no action. So people complained. I clean it up and those same people complain again.
On the old ALSC too, people were complaining about the newbies with the same questions, it's not a new phenomena nor is it due to how I manage SC. It's just a fact of life.
So in some ways, you did what was the only thing to do. You had a private forum where you could all carry on as much as you like, without newbies and without other people perhaps noticing the standard of conduct.
Why do you think I am not bothered by either OT or the new forum? Simply because it gives people that aren't happy here, somewhere else to go. Now in theory, that is a good thing. But there are still a handful of keyboard warriors that are trying to prove themselves by taking cheap shots on SC.
Have you noticed that I have not deleted any of those posts, or suspended/banned anyone's accounts? Why? Simply because I am not going to sink to the level of others, and I believe that the average person with a healthy mind will make their own decision on how each of us conducts ourself.
So if anybody wishes to come across as a twonk, why should I stop them?
I am confidant that pretty much everything I do in running the forum is towards the best interest of the Soarer community - in particular the members here, and that I have tried to be as impartial as possible with what I do. Potentially inflammatory decisions have not been made lightly, or on a whim, but only after careful consideration of the facts presented. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2262
Reg: 07-2005
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I don't expect everyone to come over to the new forum. In fact I'll be the first to admit that it definitely won't be for everyone.
Everyone has different needs/wants. And their online forum time is the same.
You had the whole ALSC membership handed to you on a platter when the ALSC went down, on the proviso that REH was still The_Boss.
We're simply trying to make the community aware of what's going on, and give them some other options so that they can make their own, Informed choice. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7733
Reg: 11-2004
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Dan, there was no proviso at all. RH simply wanted to keep the ALSC web site which suited me just fine.
Whatever his username was to be, I didn't care.
Let me repeat, there were NO conditions, proviso's or whatever you want to call them.
Apart from that, while you may not realise it, a lot of the "information" that has been published here so far to justify the split, is mildly distorted at best. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7734
Reg: 11-2004
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Dan McColl wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:29 am:What about Ollies post??
I wondered about that. I saw a post in the New Post list, but when I clicked to read it - it was gone. Not my doing, so I can only assume that Ollie reconsidered the value of his own post. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7735
Reg: 11-2004
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Just as you (Dan) must have reconsidered the value of your now missing post that I quoted. |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2264
Reg: 07-2005
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I guess there are two sides to every story, sometimes even more.
I'm sure the real story is in there somewhere. Everyone will make up their own mind anyway. |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 756
Reg: 07-2005
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Yes. I removed my own post as I decided the individual I was responding to wasn't worth the effort. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7736
Reg: 11-2004
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[Edit - this was referring to Dan's last post]
Well, I am glad that you have realised that.
For starters, go and read the two UZZ32 related threads that started this whole meltdown.
Have an open mind and play "spot the clues".
Good luck! |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7737
Reg: 11-2004
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Ollie Ernst wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:43 am:Yes. I removed my own post as I decided the individual I was responding to wasn't worth the effort.
Thanks Ollie, I appreciate your reconsideration. |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 757
Reg: 07-2005
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Don't think for a moment I didn't mean what I said in the post though. I just couldn't be bothered arguing with someone who hadn't mastered primary school spelling. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7738
Reg: 11-2004
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Fair enough, but I am curious as to how you tolerate the quality of some posts on the other forums? |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and a Factory Manual XF.
Posts: 2265
Reg: 07-2005
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Pete, I did read those Z32 posts, But I have also spoken to and dealt with the car dealer in person, as well as spoken to others who have dealt with him, and that has revealed a lot more than a couple of posts on a forum.
From what I have seen, Robs posts relating to said dealer were there for the greater benefit of the soarer community, and certainly not for any personal gain. In fact, the cars in question are still for sale by this dealer. |
Mel Morgan
TryHard
Qld
Soarer V8 UZZ32
Posts: 265
Reg: 07-2005
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Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7739
Reg: 11-2004
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OK, I don't know or have anything to do with the dealer. He has not asked or had anything to do with his car(s) being mentioned on SC, so lets be very clear that none of this is related to him.
But you are still missing the clues. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7740
Reg: 11-2004
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And I did say to have an open mind when you read the threads, so put away your personal bias for a few minutes. |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 758
Reg: 07-2005
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:59 am:Fair enough, but I am curious as to how you tolerate the quality of some posts on the other forums?
THIS forum (SC), like ALL forums, has it's fair share of poor quality posts. It's a fact of life when you deal with such a huge variety of individuals from varying backgrounds and differing levels of knowledge, or in fact, interests.
However, in answer to your question, the posts on the other forums you allude to are not personal attacks on me from some nobody who has no idea of my history here or my knowledge of how and why the current situation has developed. People who don't know should simply mind their own business. |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 759
Reg: 07-2005
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By the way, what happened to:
Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:41 am:It is pleasing to see that there hasn't been any slagging from the Soarer Central side, and I thank the members here for that.
Tarting it up politely as you did in the post I quoted in my previous post doesn't make it any less "slagging". Just thought I'd highlight it in the interests of consistency. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7741
Reg: 11-2004
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Ollie Ernst wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:27 pm:Tarting it up politely as you did in the post I quoted in my previous post doesn't make it any less "slagging".
Huh?
Are you referring to your previous post that quoted me, or the post about Dan's post about the missing post by you that I never saw, or am I just plain confused? |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 760
Reg: 07-2005
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:59 am:Fair enough, but I am curious as to how you tolerate the quality of some posts on the other forums?
This is the comment I was referring to. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7743
Reg: 11-2004
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Ahh, well I thought it was a fair question.
You must be extremely sensitive if you consider that slagging, especially in respect to your own previous posts.
"Commrad Nitschke's Stalinist purge of the Mod staff" - you must be pretty proud of that one, especially the spelling. |
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Turbo
Posts: 1100
Reg: 07-2005
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:51 pm:you must be pretty proud of that one, especially the spelling.
Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:06 am:I am confidant that pretty much everything I do in running the forum is towards the best interest of the Soarer community
Pot, kettle, black. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7744
Reg: 11-2004
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So it's OK for everyone to slag off, but not OK for me to point out some inconsistencies?
(By the way, I may have been wrong about the spelling, apparently some people do use "commrad" - I wouldn't know as it's not a word that I personally use.) |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 762
Reg: 07-2005
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:51 pm:You must be extremely sensitive if you consider that slagging, especially in respect to your own previous posts.
"Commrad Nitschke's Stalinist purge of the Mod staff" - you must be pretty proud of that one, especially the spelling.
But I, unlike you, didn't claim that I was angel in front of the whole forum. 
As for the word Commrad or Comrade or Commrade or however it's spelt, I learnt English at school, not Russian, so I took a stab at it. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7745
Reg: 11-2004
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Nor did I. I claimed that I do my best (which obviously isn't good enough for some people), and I honestly thought that it was a fair and not a slagging question. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7746
Reg: 11-2004
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I hope your edits after posting aren't confusing people, as they sometimes make my replies look out of whack.
That last post of mine was referring to your angel comment, but since you added the next line about learning English, it seems to refer to that instead. |
Ollie Ernst
DieHard
ACT
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited & UCF20 Lexus LS400
Posts: 763
Reg: 07-2005
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"Nor did I. I claimed that I do my best (which obviously isn't good enough for some people), and I honestly thought that it was a fair and not a slagging question."
That's part of the issue. When you make a comment like that you seem to think that because it's phrased politely, despite the fact that it's obviously suggesting the posts are of inferior quality, you feel it's a fair question. When we make a point, sometimes a little more directly or straight to point, it's slagging.
Just because you put a politician's (and I use that reference VERY deliberately) spin on it hoping the feeble minded might not understand you're taking the piss out of them, doesn't make the comment any less barbed.
In case you wonder why I pointed out the reference to politicians it's because they too portray themselves as champions of the people while in the public eye, yet behind the scenes it's a COMPLETELY different story, as we all know. Food for thought. That's all I have to say for now. |
Damien Smith
DieHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31
Posts: 763
Reg: 07-2005
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Pen, I think the real issue is how you've gone about the whole thing. You appear to be a very reasonable guy and try to keep things on an even keel, however for us who have been around a while we know that you show one face to the world and another in private.
Instead of dealing with this issue you had with Rob directly, you removed his moderator access on the sly. If you thought Rob was deleting posts of cars for sale for his own gain (which is the charge you laid against him) then for god's sake, deal with it like a man and pick up the phone.
Similarly after stripping Reepa of his moderator access you post some bullshit about him resigning like he had a choice in the matter.
Regarding Simon's post, I think the point is you aren't running the forum purely for the sake of the Soarer Community - you treat it like your own personal kingdom to have your ego stroked. That may explain why you've been caught out reading PM's between 2 other members in the past. So much for "private". Perhaps Ollie's Comrade analogy isn't far from the mark - read the masses thoughts to find out what they really think... |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 7747
Reg: 11-2004
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Ollie, you made a simple point that it wasn't worth replying to someone who apparently can't spell.
Simple fact: There are spelling errors - and not just due to illiteracy - on the other forums (as well as on SC). So, simple question - How do you tolerate it? I know it would annoy the heck out of me personally, but while I campaign against SMS-speak on SC, I don't get excited about what appear to be typing errors or simple spelling errors.
Seriously, I wasn't having a go at you or anybody, it was just a simple question. |
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