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Chris Hilton
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:33 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Hi guys,

So i woke up, went driving. Got pulled over.

1. Illegal BoV - vents into atmosphere $113, no demerits

2. P plate on back window had fallen off, $113, 3 demerets

3. Driving a high powered car on my P plates over power: weight ratio: $176, no demerets.

So i cant legally drive my car any more. Till November when im off my P's.
Well i guess ill save petrol now right?

Goodwork cops, i rarely drag, im one of the safe P plate drivers. I have lost respect for their kind.

Just a little rant.

Chris

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:43 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Chris Hilton wrote on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:33 pm:
So i woke up, went driving. Got pulled over.

Maybe you should have got dressed first.

Chris Hilton
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:46 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

ahhaha yeh well i was dressed, i didnt say indecent exposure

Chris Hilton
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 02:11 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Oh and it was by officer pettett... Anyone from Knox area should know this guy as the boogeyman.

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 02:21 pm, by: David Sampson (Redline)

aha.. I remember that name from the nissansilvia.com forum from years ago! I thought it was just a myth =P

bad luck man.

Chris Hilton
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:40 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Yeh this guy pulls over ANY jap car he sees.

LUCKY THO about 60 meters away i made the blow of valve go twsshhhh but they didnt hear.

Basically no reason, they just did on spot check for mods ect. First time ive ever been pulled in almost 2 years of driving, 6 months ive had my soarer.

Pettett is renownd for his kinaries ect, but i was nice to him, he was nice back charged me on 2 of 3 infringments, let me off on a warning on the third.

Sigh now to remove the BoV, and legally i cant drive my car. but well how else am i meant to get to work? ••• public transport, i think ill drive

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:52 pm, by: James Johnson (Jamesy)

how did he prove that the car is over powered?

Kyle Wathen
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:55 pm, by: Kyle Wathen (Cspot)

Chris Hilton wrote on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:33 pm:
So i woke up, went driving. Got pulled over.

1. Illegal BoV - vents into atmosphere $113, no demerits

2. P plate on back window had fallen off, $113, 3 demerets

3. Driving a high powered car on my P plates over power: weight ratio: $176, no demerets.

So i cant legally drive my car any more. Till November when im off my P's.
Well i guess ill save petrol now right?

Goodwork cops, i rarely drag, im one of the safe P plate drivers. I have lost respect for their kind.

Just a little rant.

Chris

Think thats a little unfair mate generalising all cops and saying you have no respect.

Yes this guy is a hard arse but you did get done for infringements that were all easily avoidable.

1. Anyone with a turbo car in Victoria knows atmo venting BOV are illegal - there one of the most easiest defects you cant complain on that one.
2. P Plate falling off - it may sound harsh but how does he know you didnt deliberatley take it down? Once again a common infringement.
3. Driving a soarer on your P's is the risk you take. Its over the limit, you choose to drive it no one made you drive that car so you gotta cop that fine on the chin.

If he pinged you for having no water in the windscreen washer bottle or too many handbrake clicks then yes thats harsh. However all your fines were common infringements easily avoidable on your behalf, no need to whinge about them...thats what corrolla's are for if you dont want cop attention

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:58 pm, by: George Lu (Lux)

no way he can prove it on the spot. think he saw the twin turbos and got scared!!!!

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 05:08 pm, by: Ben Daniel (Lexustt)

All atmo venting bov's are illegal ??? sheesh... im glad I dont live in Vic

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:06 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Kyle i dont think its unfair at all. Why? because this guy is one of a kind, apparently something to do with his son and a crash, now hes after all P plate jap car drivers . Look it up Allan Pettett on Yahoo.

Cops dont distinguish good P platers from Muzza VL p platers. They see all P platers as dangers with high performance vehicles and care little.

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:07 pm, by: Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain)

I think you will find Any BoV that Vents to atmosphere is illegal in any state. They are designed as a Race product and for race or off road use, Just like a PoD filter is.

Chris Hilton
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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:10 pm, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

I didnt get done for my POD filter tho? even tho he closely examied it

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:19 pm, by: Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain)

SHould of, they are Illegal unless enclosed in a Box of some sort.

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:24 pm, by: Thanh Nguyen (Moke)

Chris Hilton wrote on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 06:10 pm:
I didnt get done for my POD filter tho? even tho he closely examied it

if you didn't have a fmic, then there shouldn't be a problem..

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Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 08:31 pm, by: Benjamin Burgess (Jampac)

Pssstttttt.....

Victoria... the nazi state.

Chris Hilton
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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 08:24 am, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

James Johnson wrote on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 04:52 pm:
how did he prove that the car is over powered?

He proved it by stating 206kw at the fly wheel ant 1.56tonne

James Johnson
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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 08:32 am, by: James Johnson (Jamesy)

ok fair enough my car is labeled heavier than that on the rego sticker so i am ok!

Chris Hilton
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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 10:13 am, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

James, my rego only says 1.3 tonne :s so obviously its incorrect the rego sticker right?

If i have my car weighed and dyno'ed and it proves to be heavier then 1.56tonne and around stock 206kw @ flywheel, can i have this charge removed?

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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 11:35 am, by: Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield)

I doubt that. You could have filled it with Stereo or lead. I think the power-to-weight is according to the produced car, not according to actual weight.

It also would mean that if you were fat enough you could drive any car on your P's

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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 02:26 pm, by: Kevin la Terra (Trdpsi)

I have 1.3 weight on my rego sticker aswell...
Where did they get that figure from???

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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 04:31 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Chris Hilton wrote on Saturday, May 26, 2007 - 01:33 pm:
i rarely drag, im one of the safe P plate drivers

ohhhhhh kaaay.

James Johnson
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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 05:05 pm, by: James Johnson (Jamesy)

mine is 1.64tonne but you can contest it if you like i know khalid did when he was on his P's and he had the stock twin turbos, he made them weigh it and dyno it

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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 05:14 pm, by: Kyle Wathen (Cspot)

Thats intersting James i heard of a case where someone challanged the rule and the court would only accept the figures as released by the manafacturer and given to DOTARS. It would not accept weigh bridge certificates or dyno graphs. Having said that i know of a guy driving a car whose factory specs were under the power-weight ratio but the cop found his latest dyno graph on the backseat and so fined him for being over the limit...it seems to just be up up to the discretion of each cop whether your cars over the limit or not.

Maurice Diggler
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Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 06:50 pm, by: Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice)

Chris, where were you pulled over and what time? And what car was he in? Unmarked white XR8?

You will probably get an EPA notice in the mail, which will mean a compulsory full emissions / noise test in McLeod.

Good luck with it.

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Monday, May 28, 2007 - 06:16 pm, by: Peter Burrett (Burrett)

I just put a '94 3-litre over the weigh bridge here and I got a tare of 1.52, no driver in it.... strange stuff these weights, but they make a lot of difference to the cost of rego...

Chris Hilton
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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 08:26 am, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Hi Maurice it was a marked XR8 down at Knox city, was going to the gym.

hey pete, yeh im still driving. If i getted pulled over again its only like $130 fine or whatever so i dont really care.

Removed my blow off valve yesterday so ill have a Vee-port 2 with adapter kit for sale soon!

Brian Timms
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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 09:01 am, by: Brian Timms (Turbo_brian)

If your rego sticker says your car is 1.3 tonne, you will be paying less for your rego.

If you fire off a complaint about it, and prove your car weighs more (say 1.64 tonne), then you will find your car gets moved into the next weight bracket, and becomes slightly more expensive to register.

Power to weight ratio in Victoria is 120Kw per tonne, going from power at the flywheel.

I think even at 1.6 tonne, the Soarer is still over the limit, but only just.

Also, if they force you to Dyno the car for a power figure, you will find that Soarers are under-rated with their 'stated power' and you will get screwed over again.

Ben is right *cough* Nazi state *cough*.

B.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 09:20 am, by: Thanh Nguyen (Moke)

Brian Timms wrote on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 09:01 am:
Power to weight ratio in Victoria is 120Kw per tonne, going from power at the flywheel.

It's actually 125Kw per tonne (it used to be 127Kw per tonne couple of years ago

) and that is just 5Kw over the power to weight ratio for the soarers....

Chris Hilton
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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 09:31 am, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Hey brian,

Yeh i would have my car dynoed and weighed but i know its above the stock 206 at the flywheel (exhaust, air intake) so id be looking at maybe an extra 20-30 @ the fly or so.

it doesnt matter. im off my P's in november. Only thing im scared of is after July the penalty goes up for overpowered cars for P platers. So i think ill be carless for a few months. save me lots of money on petrol i guess.

yeh currently the soarer i believe is 132 kw/tonne

7 kilowats wow! thats nothing considering my car has done 140,000km so powerloss through wear would obviouslly be present.

Maurice Diggler
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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 07:27 pm, by: Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice)

Chris Hilton wrote on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 08:26 am:
Hi Maurice it was a marked XR8 down at Knox city, was going to the gym.

Was it on Mini Chapel or somewhere else? And at what time dude. I just want to know when NOT to go there.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 07:29 pm, by: Michael James (Wildwizard)

Is NSW the only state to calculate registration fees on weight?

QLD is engine size in cylinders and VIC is vehicle type.

Chris Hilton
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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:41 am, by: Chris Hilton (Tetsuo)

Maurice it was at 1pm, on saturday. So definently stay away on the weekends during peak.
Some guy got bashed at knox a few weeks ago so they have stepped up secutiry.

I wont be driving there again durin the weekend after july 1st

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 07:42 pm, by: Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice)

Chris Hilton wrote on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:41 am:
Some guy got bashed at knox a few weeks ago so they have stepped up secutiry.

And they think that harassing people in imports will fix the problem.

75% of the times I've been pulled up it's been there, I learnt my lesson.

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 08:00 pm, by: Peter Burrett (Burrett)

The ACT rego is based on tare weight,....... there doesn't seen to be any subtext about mods on the car if you get pulled over..... at least it hasn't happened to me as yet... oh dear, perhaps I should'nt test fate

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