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Tume Penttinen
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Vantaa
JZZ30 Soarer

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:31 pm, by:  Tume Penttinen (Matsuda) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yesterday I took my Soarer to the registration inspection and they told me I'd need to find out the axel masses for the front and rear.

I'm not sure what the proper term is though, but to clarify, I need the maximum kg allowed for both rear and front of the car.

Preferably a paper with Toyota's logo on it and very convincing.

But any info is a start!
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:46 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr Axel Mass? A Scandinavian chap, I knew him well but alas, his differential from me was too great and when clutching for grip his trip on LSD left me no choice but to grab the wishbone of life, gain traction by taking control, and dampen his gassing to filter him out.

Are you serious about that question? Total mass for a TT is about 1560Kg and weight distribution is roughly 54% front and 46% rear, might be worse on V8s. That is only approximate but I have never heard of a registration authority requiring that information anyway.

Do you have any further information about the request?
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 08:00 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Finland probably doesn't have a prepared formula for importing Soarers as we do with eg RAWS, so it's probably done on a case by case basis and Tume may be having to do their research.
Tume Penttinen
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Vantaa
JZZ30 Soarer

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 08:16 pm, by:  Tume Penttinen (Matsuda) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agh, this is what you get for 16h of work and 4h of sleep. Don't know why I capitalised those letters. Anyway - what ever the proper term for axel masses is - as Peter stated, I'm the one who needs to find out the info for the inspection.

Going to ask local Toyota dealer too but - again - as Peter said, Soarer was never officially imported to Finland. We have some SC300/400 though but nothing with 1JZ. Also, the Toyota dealers haven't been too keen on handing out any info on JDM imports.
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:50 am, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:46 pm:

Total mass for a TT is about 1560Kg and weight distribution is roughly 54% front and 46% rear, might be worse on V8s.




I wouldnt be surprised if the V8 has better weight distribution than a TT, especially a UZZ30 without all the air suspension gubbins

1UZ is alloy and around 200kg, almost completely behind front axle line
1JZ/2JZ are cast iron (blocks), the 2JZ is around 270kg, 1JZ will be similar to this
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
JZZ31

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 07:11 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plus all the turbo gear also adds a fair bit of weight.
David Vaughan
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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:21 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was being optimistic about the TT since it is the more performance oriented, and the UZZ31's extra weight has to be somewhere.

I just looked up the R&T road test of the American SC400, basically a UZZ30 with the steering wheel in the wrong place. It is 54/46 where I had a notion the '31 was more like 55% or 56 front. You are probably right and the TT will be much the same (55 or 56% at the front).

Tume, I was just having some fun by grabbing the opportunity to make some bad jokes . Try telling them a weight of 1560Kg with 55% on the front axle. If they really need accuracy then you will need a weighbridge on which you will measure the front and rear separately.
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 01:19 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:21 am:

and the UZZ31's extra weight has to be somewhere.



It will mainly be in the interior i would think. And perhaps the airbag struts as well?
Evan Kaio
Tinkerer
Wellington
'91 UZZ31

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 05:20 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Airbag struts, about 10kg each, from memory.(or please correct me if I'm wrong).
Phil Gibson
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WA
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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 02:33 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The struts themselves wouldnt account for much over a conventional Soarer spring setup (6 or 7kg each) however the extra pump/pipes/solenoid weight etc would

A lot of the extra weight also comes from stuff like the electric seats, EMV, GPS, and the various modules associated with it

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