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Jeff Smith
Goo Roo NSW GT30/37r Single T
Posts: 1929 Reg: 07-2005
| Practice drift gone wrong......Ouch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wwJPJIahE |
Adrain Parsons
TryHard Qld JZZ30 tt
Posts: 443 Reg: 08-2005
| he needs alot more practice. |
Steven Nanevski
Goo Roo New South Wales D Day has almost arrived....
Posts: 1637 Reg: 07-2005
| Poor kid, that hurts for sure, got to give him credit for trying... |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1168 Reg: 08-2005
| I don't think it's called drifting when you always spin the car and stop. Why did he even turn right there? |
Justin Camilleri
DieHard QLD Had a 85 MZ10, 92 TT, Now 91 TT
Posts: 719 Reg: 07-2005
| He was trying to get that pendulum effect, but with no success. |
Joe Radisic
DieHard WA 2JZ GTE 547.7RWHP@21psi
Posts: 600 Reg: 10-2006
| Wet and dry surface wouldn't help, lucky he rolled up on a trailer premonition maybe? |
Alen Sadikovic
TryHard VIC Soarer GTT
Posts: 464 Reg: 10-2006
| you would say after the first 50 tries....drifting is not for him |
Drew Rechner
TryHard South Australia JZZ30 TT
Posts: 133 Reg: 10-2007
| Isnt that the new guy on here from Canada?????? The one with the customs arctic blue interior??? |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 3404 Reg: 10-2005
| Soarers don't make good drift cars without lots of mods, and definitely not a good car to learn in, especially if you are the sort to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over... Way to write off a perfectly good car by being and idiot dude. |
Christian Molenda
DieHard QLD T
Posts: 590 Reg: 07-2005
| As Napoleon Dynamite would say.... IDIOT! |
Brenton Trafford
TryHard SA V8 Limited - UZZ31
Posts: 397 Reg: 08-2005
| W*nker. Waste of a perfectly good car. What an oxygen thief. |
Kyle Wathen
TryHard Vic GTTL
Posts: 420 Reg: 02-2007
| If he couldn't afford to crash it then he wouldn't be out on the track. Why he would attempt drifting on a track with a single spinner i dont know - i mean whats it cost $70 to get it welded. |
Steven Anderson
TryHard NSW UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 201 Reg: 05-2006
| it was the open diff that was the big mistake. Have been on the skidpan with an open diff and the snapback is very much as bad as what you see there, not very controllable. |
Ryan Rankovic
Goo Roo Victoria Soarer TT GT-TL
Posts: 1001 Reg: 07-2005
| i dont know why you cock heads are calling him an idiot or a wanker for practising drift on a track he probably did a better job than most of you could do |
Brett Jones
Tinkerer NSW TT
Posts: 81 Reg: 01-2007
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Ryan Rankovic wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 12:45 pm:i dont know why you cock heads are calling him an idiot or a wanker for practising drift on a track he probably did a better job than most of you ••••• could do
Pfft... I have seen my nan drift better in her Datsun 120y |
Justin Burnes
Tinkerer nsw soarer v8 limited
Posts: 62 Reg: 11-2007
| Ryan, who do you think you are mate???? |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer South Australia GT4.0 V8
Posts: 8846 Reg: 11-2004
| My view is that he tried, and that he used a track. 10/10 so far. He probably would have done a lot better if an experienced drifter had given him a lesson though. If you watch any of the pro drifter video's, the in car shots show their hands are snapping the wheel very quickly to correct and control the drift. My guess is that he was easing the wheel, and thus wasn't quick enough to catch it when the rear started to come around, I have done the same thing on a track myself. Donuts at Mallala! |
Ryan Rankovic
Goo Roo Victoria Soarer TT GT-TL
Posts: 1002 Reg: 07-2005
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Justin Burnes wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 01:40 pm:Ryan, who do you think you are mate????
whats it to you, mate? you think its ok to rat on someone or call them an oxygen theif for having a go at something legally and safely? |
Drew Rechner
TryHard South Australia JZZ30 TT
Posts: 134 Reg: 10-2007
| I agree with Ryan, that was uncalled for! |
Jan Christiansson
TryHard NSW Soarer V8 SC Manual
Posts: 470 Reg: 07-2005
| Don't complain, he did the right thing he was on the track, not like lots of you on the streets. Perfectly good Soarer or not, it was his car who got damaged. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo WA Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 3769 Reg: 09-2005
| Ryan has my vote in the topic as well! Good on him for giving it a go. It's a shame that he came out with the outcome he did. Look at the track again, it was pretty wet for drifting which makes it pretty difficult if you aren't a pro in the first place. |
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo NSW GT30/37r Single T
Posts: 1932 Reg: 07-2005
| Hahaha didn't this blow out..... I agree that it is good that he practiced on the track and not the street,This video shows that he has not tried it on the street and is very in experienced at it......I would love to have a go but I know my limits and no dought end up with the same result.I did this on the street two weeks after i bought it and slammed a gutter doing 80k's and I have the stock LSD also.The weight transfer on the soarer and low power is very hard to control.It dosn't help with water on the track as it make's it harder. |
Evan Kaio
Tinkerer Wellington '91 UZZ31
Posts: 71 Reg: 01-2007
| Did I hear the dialogue correctly? "What's that red?" "That's windshield wiper fluid". Hmmm.... could be blood, after all it's a car crash. |
Jose-Antonio Castillo
Goo Roo NSW Soarer VVTi
Posts: 1460 Reg: 07-2005
| At least it's on the track, less chance of charging into other cars (or worse other people). |
Justin Burnes
Tinkerer nsw soarer v8 limited
Posts: 63 Reg: 11-2007
| come on guys i'm just putting in an opinion... i don't see the need to call a big bunch of people cockheads when you don't even know them... i didn't even comment on the video in the first place i just think its wrong and hypocritical to call everyone cockheads when you don't even know them. doesn't make sense to me when your saying it to people for doing something similar... |
Steven Nanevski
Goo Roo New South Wales D Day has almost arrived....
Posts: 1640 Reg: 07-2005
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Justin Burnes wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 05:35 pm:come on guys i'm just putting in an opinion... i don't see the need to call a big bunch of people cockheads when you don't even know them...
Justin Burnes wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 05:35 pm:i didn't even comment on the video in the first place i just think its wrong and hypocritical to call everyone cockheads when you don't even know them
Well for those judgeing him in the first place, who do they think they are when they don't even know the bloke in the clip. So Ryan has every right too... If you willing to dish some out, you better be prepared to take some back also..... Well said Ryan |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1171 Reg: 08-2005
| Justin has a point in that we could have done without the aggro, Ryan. Everybody take a freakin pill and settle down. Jesus this forum is an estrogen fest at times. While the guy in the video is to be commended on using an off street venue, he obviously has no idea what he is doing and should have gotten a little more instruction in a wide open space before getting on a track. Having a vague idea of what you are doing is a prerequisite to getting on most race tracks. Trying something like drifting on a concrete barriered track with no skills is pretty dumb. Seriously, it's deliberately putting the car into an almost out of control situation. Even the professionals routinely lose it OFTEN. So trying it with NO skills IS dumb. Now that can be said politely instead of calling a bunch of members "cock heads" and or or whatever the second word was. I don't see that kind of stuff on any forum I'm on but this one. Seriously, the 2 Soarer boards are just a haven of sniping and snide comments. We're supposed to kind of be a club, or friends or something. Two little comments you don't agree with and it's "cock head" time... chill mate. Just like in the nitrogen thing.. someone disagreed with what I said and instead of a reasoned response I got "Miles you really should try it out before you open the mouth" What the fvck is that sh!t. All the other forums on, that sort of comment is not the standard. |
Ryan Rankovic
Goo Roo Victoria Soarer TT GT-TL
Posts: 1003 Reg: 07-2005
| there was no aggro involved i thought that calling someone who is trying to drift on a track and unfortunately crashes an oxygen thief a cock head was justified an OXYGEN THIEF? for crashing THEIR OWN CAR ON A TRACK? i think thats far more insulting than being called a cock head for making a snide comment on an internet forum either way, was a shame to see the car hit the wall |
Steven Nanevski
Goo Roo New South Wales D Day has almost arrived....
Posts: 1642 Reg: 07-2005
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Miles Baker wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 07:12 pm:While the guy in the video is to be commended on using an off street venue, he obviously has no idea what he is doing and should have gotten a little more instruction in a wide open space before getting on a track. Having a vague idea of what you are doing is a prerequisite to getting on most race tracks. Trying something like drifting on a concrete barriered track with no skills is pretty dumb. Seriously, it's deliberately putting the car into an almost out of control situation. Even the professionals routinely lose it OFTEN. So trying it with NO skills IS dumb.
I beg to differ on this. I have no idea on drifting either, more than likely it was his first time too. Either way a race track is a track, controlled environment, safer than any public road, carpark whatever. Yeah he should have got some pointers out to help him, but what better way to test your car and your skills than on a track, I can pretty much bet any drift racer out there can tell you about their first attempt and the damage they caused to their car, whether it be crashing it or braking something mechanical. Bottom line, you saw the out come, it's a lesson learn't, yeah it's a hard way to learn, but imagine if that was somewhere in a public place, he could have done alot worse. I don't think it's a dumb thing at all when you weigh up barriered up track vs public road/carpark. Oh we can only presume things here also, we can say he was pretty crap by watching the footage, but good on him for giving it a try and doing it in a responsible site. |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo WA Soarer TT
Posts: 2594 Reg: 07-2005
| Internet - home of drift experts since 2001. |
Craig Allan
Tinkerer Lincolnshire Soarer TT
Posts: 22 Reg: 02-2008
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Luke Nieuwhof wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 08:37 pm:Internet - home of drift experts since 2001.
Hahaha |
Drew Rechner
TryHard South Australia JZZ30 TT
Posts: 135 Reg: 10-2007
| I seriously think that that is Jesse with the arctic blue interior, check out these pics of his car, poor dude. http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/284/235760.html?1202943529 |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1174 Reg: 08-2005
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Steven Nanevski wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 08:04 pm:Either way a race track is a track, controlled environment, safer than any public road, carpark whatever. Yeah he should have got some pointers out to help him, but what better way to test your car and your skills than on a track
Exactly. A race track is a *race* track. While that is the place to learn *racing* it is not the place to start out at drifting, especially a cold wet track. That would be at a skid pan or an autocross. Both of which are seriously popular and available in the US. Big flat area with instructors and the only thing you hit (normally) is witches hats. Drifting around concrete barriers is not the place to start. I did not in any way suggest he should be doing that on public roads. In fact I said it was good that he did the opposite. It still wasn't the right place though. Ryan, I agree that calling him an oxygen thief is wrong. However, they didn't call you one. My only objection is it became member on member at that point. We should be here to be friendly with each other, not hit the expletives at each other at the first op. That's what the guy was saying to you. Disagree, fine. But is it really necessary to call another member a cock head straight off the bat? 2 wrongs, mate... |
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo NSW GT30/37r Single T
Posts: 1936 Reg: 07-2005
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Drew Rechner wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 09:52 pm:I seriously think that that is Jesse with the arctic blue interior, check out these pics of his car, poor dude.
Mate! It doe's look like it.I posted on that thread and waiting to hear the answer. |
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo WA '94 black/black UZZ31
Posts: 1179 Reg: 07-2005
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Miles Baker wrote on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 10:15 pm:A race track is a *race* track. While that is the place to learn *racing* it is not the place to start out at drifting, especially a cold wet track. That would be at a skid pan or an autocross. Both of which are seriously popular and available in the US. Big flat area with instructors and the only thing you hit (normally) is witches hats. Drifting around concrete barriers is not the place to start.
Correct me if im wrong but this is in Canada.... regardless, while you may be correct, skidpans are not always available/nearby or booked for practice events, sometimes you have to make do with what is available, so i would not fault anyone for doing that even if the venue was not ideal - just like anything else, you take your chances... Having said that, a stock Soarer is not a good car to learn in - relatively heavy, soft suspension, not particularly quick steering |
Dave Billings
Goo Roo Louisiana SC 300, 2JZE, 5 Speed
Posts: 1117 Reg: 06-2007
| Ahhh, I think he was only using oxygen in his tires, hence the wreck. Now, if he had used nitrogen... |
Brenton Trafford
TryHard SA V8 Limited - UZZ31
Posts: 400 Reg: 08-2005
| I still think he's an oxygen thief. |
Luke Burt
TryHard Queensland Soarer TT
Posts: 194 Reg: 08-2007
| Definately Jesse's soarer, and yeah, good on him, but a track with close barriers isn't ideal.. And i find my one wheeler easy to control.. I won't go into details, but i do quite a lot of street drifting and the snapback on the one wheeler is incredibly easy to control.. provided you have the experience. And yes, you need to be quick on the wheel to catch any car, but in some cases the soarers are so easy to control i find myself sliding it around with one hand, relaxing.. Such an amazing car, for something so long and so heavy, its so easy! |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1002 Reg: 12-2006
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Justin Camilleri wrote on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 11:15 pm:He was trying to get that pendulum effect,
You dont try to get the Pendulum effect until you can actually get it around the corner first, dont run before you can crawl.. He has wasted a perfectly good Soarer.... |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo WA Soarer TT
Posts: 2595 Reg: 07-2005
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Brian Timms wrote on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 11:25 am:You dont try to get the Pendulum effect until you can actually get it around the corner first, dont run before you can crawl.. He has wasted a perfectly good Soarer....
Brian, he was out on a track, giving it a go. So many frigging drift experts around here. |
Luke Burt
TryHard Queensland Soarer TT
Posts: 195 Reg: 08-2007
| He has a point though mate, The main reason for his cornering trouble is as stated above he is on a race circuit, not a drift track. The corner he keeps spinning on is cambered enough to mislead most people, but after spinning out nearly every time he got it sideways (from what we see on video anyway) you wouldnt particularly want to try going sideways on a straight road.. I don't know how this topic got onto a judgement of who can drift and that hes a dickhead, i hope he doesn't read this thread, putting a soarer into a wall would be heart wrenching. I hope he gets in another soarer and salvages what he can. |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo New South Wales TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1003 Reg: 12-2006
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Luke Nieuwhof wrote on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 05:58 pm:Brian, he was out on a track, giving it a go.
Luke, http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb288/Pettos/Bsmall.jpg I HAVE given it a go, and yes, I successfully drifted a Single spinner diff, did very well for the day in both wet and dry conditions and have a great day... I also have done driving courses, and know my limits and the limits of the vehicle I drive, therefore dont try and over-cook the car. A single spinner wont get a very good pendulum effect. B. |
Brett Jones
Tinkerer NSW TT
Posts: 83 Reg: 01-2007
| Hey Brian, just wondering where you went to do the drifting? I'd love to get out there and have a go!! |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo WA Soarer TT
Posts: 2599 Reg: 07-2005
| Sorry Brian, you probably just bore my frustration at the rest of the comments here. |
Jeff Smith
Goo Roo NSW GT30/37r Single T
Posts: 1940 Reg: 07-2005
| Thumbs up to trying on a track. Thumbs down on the end result to a nice car.. But that's the sport,These things happen. I think about this every time I get out on track. Wether it's on the strip or track day.Doing it in the right place under controlled conditions should be applauded.It's just a shame this happened to a nice car.And possibly one of our members.The good thing though is he is all right.A little out of pocket but he will be back with better knowledge. |