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Message |
John Khanh
Tinkerer
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 86
Reg: 03-2007
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Hi all,
A few Soarer owners have been burnt by a seller on eBay going by the name of wonderfulwitch12.
So far, 5 Soarer owners have left negative feedback for this seller. We've all got his bank account details and made payment.
Since then, we've had no contact and no items arrive.
Negative feedback and disputes have been opened regarding this seller with eBay.
Are any of the other buyers that got burnt members of this forum? |
Ryan Rankovic
Goo Roo
Victoria
Soarer TT GT-TL
Posts: 1020
Reg: 07-2005
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what did you guys buy? |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1750
Reg: 07-2005
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http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&since=30&userid=wonderfulwi tch12&include=0&rows=50&sort=3&completed=1 |
John Khanh
Tinkerer
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 87
Reg: 03-2007
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Ben, are you the Ben that I e-mailed? |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1751
Reg: 07-2005
|
nope |
Adrain Parsons
TryHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt
Posts: 494
Reg: 08-2005
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that sucks, sorry to hear that guys, thanks for warning the rest of us. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1201
Reg: 08-2005
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Fraud. Inform the police. |
Daniel Trivuncevic
DieHard
NSW
TT
Posts: 789
Reg: 07-2005
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Yea, i was burnt for a apexi turbo timer harness!..
it was $12 if i remember well, havent left the feedback yet.. |
John Khanh
Tinkerer
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 88
Reg: 03-2007
|
Yeah man, I sent you a message on eBay too with the dude's details. |
Charlie Ters
TryHard
nsw
TT gone single 
Posts: 190
Reg: 01-2007
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hunt this person down
ask the people who have successfully sold him goods if they are kind enough to give info |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1752
Reg: 07-2005
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If you paid via paypal you can create a dispute and get your money refunded thru paypal. |
Craig Allan
Tinkerer
Lincolnshire
Soarer TT
Posts: 42
Reg: 02-2008
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I nearly bought a set of mats off that person, glad I didnt!! |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 11
Reg: 02-2008
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hey guys, yeh this wonderfulwitch12 guy got me for $197.50, bought a set of "pedders springs and shocks" off him.
i dont think its the actual account holder thats pulling this scam, who ever it is he probably figured that with a 100% feedback history people will bid with confidence and so he might as well pull of a scam and walk away with some easy money. guys seriously.. the most annoying thing is that this clown thinks he can just take peoples money and walk away without a problem 
ok so anyway.. as far as things go we have his bank details, i think john managed to get his phone number and his address, and im not sure if this helps but there was a picture of the soarer that this guy apparently had the shocks and springs that i bought off him installed on - the number plate was 1JZ-250, for all i know it could be some random pic this guy pulled from some where.. or he could actually be dumb enough to photograph his actual car with his plates showing 
so exactly what options do we have? |
Adrain Parsons
DieHard
Qld
JZZ30 tt
Posts: 502
Reg: 08-2005
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if you have his address just send some guys around to pay him a visit ;) |
Benjamin Burgess
Goo Roo
NSW
Toyota Soarer GT-TL, Toyota Corolla Conquest
Posts: 1753
Reg: 07-2005
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His account could also be hijacked. It's rather common. |
Jose-Antonio Castillo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer VVTi
Posts: 1476
Reg: 07-2005
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Did you guys pay through Paypal? I'm sure they would have some form of consumer protection (or whatever you wanna call it). |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 12
Reg: 02-2008
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adrain mate if the guy lived any where near me i would have paid him a visit by now  but apparently he lives in tassie, and this guy didnt offer paypal so we all pretty much paid him through bank deposit. i think the only buyer protection we have is what ever ebay offers us (which is not much anyway) |
Mustafa Akgul
Goo Roo
NSW
ToyoPartsMan
Posts: 1718
Reg: 07-2005
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it is suspicious as previously the account was last used in 2006 or last feedback he got. |
Dylan Kent
Tinkerer
Tasmania
JZZ30 TT
Posts: 43
Reg: 03-2007
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lives in tassie? whats the address? |
Gregg Holden
Trader
WA
Soarer UZZ31 Supercharged
Posts: 847
Reg: 08-2005
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Benjamin Burgess wrote on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 09:49 pm:His account could also be hijacked. It's rather common.
Looks like a Hi-jacking to me. With a ebay name like Wonderfulwitch and the last two items before the Soarer items being "How To Turn Your Ex-Boyfriend Into A Toad.,&Other Spell" and "0.3mm 9ct GOLD round wire - 50cm" I would say that the account holder probably doesn't sell Soarer parts!
Exercise caution when following up and go through ebay/paypal (as painful as their process is) to sort it out.
Usually Hi-Jackings are done with obvious high priced items. Like you'll see an ebayer who has sold plant pots for three years and then suddenly have 5 Roland drum kits for sale at 5 grand a pop. Those are really obvious. Perhaps the crooks are learning and getting smarter by focusing on niche small priced goods....
Or there could be another rational explanation, it might be the person's partner and there has been a death in the family, or the partner split the relationship and now doesn't have access to the account. They didn't pay their internet account and have been deactivated, etc etc....Any number of things may have happened.
The only right process is disputing it through ebay and paypal as appropriate. |
Micheal Males
Tinkerer
Tasmania
tt
Posts: 51
Reg: 08-2007
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I know where this guy lives and where the car is located as i bought a few parts off him out of the paper as the car has been in a wreak. And i was after stuff for my soarer he seamed like a great guy my dealing with him were face to face and no problems. All the soarer parts listed were on the car and i know that suspension came from that car along with other parts listed on ebay as i saw the cooler hks extra injector pipe and other peices there so i believe that he is trading under this name and if anyone from tassie wants to pay him a visit pm and i will call you with his details |
John Khanh
Tinkerer
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 90
Reg: 03-2007
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Michael... was it in Bellerive? |
Micheal Males
Tinkerer
Tasmania
tt
Posts: 52
Reg: 08-2007
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Nah he isn't in bellerive it was glenorchy |
Brian Timms
Goo Roo
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 1014
Reg: 12-2006
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If you have the guy's bank details, you have his real name.
www.whitepages.com might help with an address.
Police will definately be interested if there is a decent amount of people all willing to make statements, as this is obvious online fraud.
Hijacked ebay account or not, your not paying money into the ebay account, your paying moneys into a bank account, which is both traceable and potentially reversable as well.
For decent sums of money, it could also be worth speaking to the bank about a reversal, my bank charges me $60 for a transaction reversal, and for large prices items that dont come to me, it doesn't hurt to know that kind of insurance is there.
I would be speaking with the majority of the people who have been burnt, getting a list of names, addresses, and contact phone numbers of these people, and passing the information to the police.
Let the police collect statements 1 by 1, and piece together the evidence, and then pay this chap a visit.
BTW, for anyone buying from him face to face, of course he is going to be nice, he cant just grab your money and vanish when your standing in front of him, but he has tried to do exactly this through the internet.
Just get the police involved, many small frauds equate to a big fraud.
B. |
Gregg Holden
Trader
WA
Soarer UZZ31 Supercharged
Posts: 848
Reg: 08-2005
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Brian Timms wrote on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 01:10 pm:Hijacked ebay account or not, your not paying money into the ebay account, your paying moneys into a bank account, which is both traceable and potentially reversable as well.
Not that it appears to be the case with this particular situation, you should be careful in assuming that if you pay into a bank account the person is traceable.
Surely you would have come across the many junk emails offering you the chance to earn $3000 a month in 'commissions' for simply receiving funds for an offshore company who apparently cannot open a bank account in Aus. All you need to do to earn your commissions is to send the money via Western Union to their 'business' in Romania.
This scam is used concurrently with a eBay hijacker who gives you the bank details of one of these poor saps who then transfers the money via western union which is so untraceable its not funny.
When the eBay hijack scam is uncovered it is traced to the poor gullable sap in the middle who is subsequently arrested for money laundering. However the purchaser is still out of pocket and the scammer is laughing all the way to the Western Union Office.
Sad, but all too true. |
John Khanh
Tinkerer
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 91
Reg: 03-2007
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The name of the bank account holder, I looked up in the White pages, which led me to a guy in Bellerive. Which when I called, apparently I got the right number. But he wasn't home. White pages only listed 1st and 2nd initial. When I asked for "Mark" (Same first name), he apparently wasn't at home at the time. The bank account and the white pages had the same 2nd initial also. Co-incidence???
Then Michael tells us, the guy he got parts off was in Glenorchy.
Michael, was the guy's name Mark? |
Micheal Males
Tinkerer
Tasmania
tt
Posts: 53
Reg: 08-2007
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I think i have it written down somewhere i will have a look maybe he lives at bellerive i rang the add in the paper and he said to come around and gave me an address in glenorcy and when i got there the car was in the garage with no wheels and the drivers door level with the console i will pm u the number i have for him if you like. Also his brother was there maybe it was his house and he just left it there. |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 13
Reg: 02-2008
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michael, i mentioned that this guy had a picture of his soarer in the ebay listing for his suspensions, and the number plate was 1JZ-250.. can you remember the plate of the guy you visited? i added a pic of his car to this post.. was this it? if you can confirm this for us then we got our guy
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Micheal Males
Tinkerer
Tasmania
tt
Posts: 54
Reg: 08-2007
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No plates on the car when i was there don't have the
address know if i drive there again and just tried the number i got and its disconnected
the bonnet looks darker than this car but car look the same except when i saw it no wheels and all drivers side smashed in the door was level with console |
Glen Muller
TryHard
Victoria
V8 Soarer UZZ31
Posts: 202
Reg: 12-2007
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Gregg is right guys, you can only do the Ebay process. You'll probably find it hard to track someone down anyway, and sending a posse around is really only going to cause you more crap in the long run. No matter how much money you got ripped, it's not up to you to go paying people visits and getting your "revenge".
It might feel good at the time, but I'd rather be down $100 than have an assault charge against my name. |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 108
Reg: 03-2007
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So I've gone through dispute console with eBay. The dispute has been closed & forwarded to the trust & safety team. What happens now? We didn't pay by Paypal as it was bank deposit.
Anyone know what goes on from here? |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 18
Reg: 02-2008
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hey john, it was the same story with me. dispute was closed like a week ago. and i guess thats it. this guys walks away with our money.. ebay will mail him and do what ever.. and at most close his account. |
Prayag Sharma
TryHard
vic
single turbo soarer
Posts: 144
Reg: 08-2007
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the seller is possibly dead |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 109
Reg: 03-2007
|
What makes you think that Prayag? |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 19
Reg: 02-2008
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 mate its pretty funny how the guy was able to give us his bank details and email us and answer questions about the parts we were buying.. and then just die all of a sudden once our money reached his bank account! |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 111
Reg: 03-2007
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He died of dick disease. |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 114
Reg: 03-2007
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Got an e-mail back from eBay after asking what was going on. They advised that they would NOT contact authorities on behalf of a member. WTF??? Then they directed me to report it to the Police. Well, I'm in the process of filling out the necessary info now.
The link is here http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/crimePrevention/eCrime/internet/report/03/tasmania.htm
Report it if you too got burnt. |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 529
Reg: 08-2005
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sad to hear guys ive been scammed for a phone once.. payed and never heard from again.. tried to go through ebay and police and the police said the amount wasnt big enough to go after... they would rather be driving around pulling modded cars up going to summernats... figures.. and they wonder why nobody likes police. |
Aaron Casey
DieHard
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 530
Reg: 08-2005
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forgot so say.. thats why pretty much now i only pay via paypal which you can dispute and they cant use their funds until the dispute is sorted out and agreed on. or i pick up.. i was done for $595  and thats when i was a 2nd yr apprentice and that hurt the wallet for quite a while lol |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 125
Reg: 03-2007
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I got a call from Tassie D's today. They've given the dude a week to send me the items. |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 26
Reg: 02-2008
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john are u serious? i didnt do any thing cuz i thought it will be useless!? im going to get on it tonight! let me know how things go yeh? |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 27
Reg: 02-2008
|
hey john im just filling out the form and its asking me for his bank details.. dont think i'll be able to find them, just wondering if you could PM me those so that i can fill out and finish that form.. thanks |
John Khanh
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 V8
Posts: 126
Reg: 03-2007
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Hey Mario, I've just gotten into work and saw your message now. I've got all the details at home, so I'll PM you tonight. |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 28
Reg: 02-2008
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hey thanks john, had a look through ebay and managed to find his bank details. i completed the two docs and emailed them to tas police along with proof of opening a dispute with ebay plus some other stuff that should help speed things up, anyway im just waiting for a reply from them now. shouldnt take that long because they already traced the guy. anwyay keep me posted on how every thing works out for you, thanks |
Mario Jayawardena
Tinkerer
Victoria
Soarer TT
Posts: 30
Reg: 02-2008
|
hey john, by the way just wondering how long it took before tas police actually looked up your documents and made a move on things? havent heard any thing from them yet so just wondering if i didn't do the documents properly or some thing? |
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