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Gary Poloskei
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Friday, July 04, 2008 - 01:11 pm, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey everyone

Iv read from searching through the forum that I can infact pull the digital instrument cluster from my JZZ30 GT-TL and replace it with an analogue one from the US SC400/SC300?

Im not a huge fan of the Digital Cluster and I would much rather an analogue one.

Does anyone have any details on this job and can point me in the right direction?
I assume it's not a direct swap and some work is required.

kind regards
Christian Zimmer
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Friday, July 04, 2008 - 04:34 pm, by:  Christian Zimmer (Zimmi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have just recently heard of a guy doing it to his soarer because he hated the digital dash.

I personally think that its part of what makes our cars unique...but whatever makes you happy.

Not sure what he had to do to modify the dash.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Friday, July 04, 2008 - 08:22 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From memory no one has done it yet, however if there is a way to switch it out I'm on the list.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, July 04, 2008 - 11:32 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After driving the wifes car for a couple of days.. Ive realised how EASY it is to drive Over the SPeed limit with an Anologue Dash!!!

NO WAY do i drive more than 10 over ever on the roads in the soarer!!!

OH, its like a 97 hyundai Excel Auto too! On the motorway, kept creeping up to 110-120 with 95hp OMGZ!

SO i reckon the Digital readout is much easier to keep things under control, and much easier to read :-)
Gary Poloskei
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 09:29 am, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah but i wanna go 260km/h
Matchy Loi
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 10:06 am, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

May be a less of a head ache to go with an aftermarket item.
Daniel Clarke
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 05:42 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just get an Apexi RSM champ! It will read all the way to 300+ :-)

And how do you plan to see 260km/h? Must have alot of hP and a Big Race track!
Ben Kelly
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 07:11 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just out of interest does anyone know the top speed of a stock v8? (delimited obviously)
Matchy Loi
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 10:03 pm, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For some reason my brain thinks it remembers people say around 220-230 mark.
Mike Beck
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Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 10:44 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe its more like 240-250km/h with the auto...

With a manual gearbox like the W58, I believe its more around 260km/h depending on the diff type...
Peter Nitschke
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 12:47 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hit a bird at 241. Decided that was enough, but there wasn't much left.
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 01:24 pm, by:  Justin Stanley (Sne33z) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Of the bird, or power :p
David Ormsby
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 03:48 pm, by:  David Ormsby (Phoenix) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ha
Daniel Clarke
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Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 05:55 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha Peter,lol.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:08 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The bird just caught the front edge of the roof. A week or so later I saw pics of a BMW that had a bird go through the windscreen. What a mess! The bird punctured the windscreen and detonated - feathers, blood and guts splattered everywhere inside the car. The windscreen what white from the crazing.

Made me realise how lucky I was that the bird wasn't a bit closer to the ground.
Gary Poloskei
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:57 pm, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmm hmmm

back to the topic gents.

This is picure of the backside of a US SC400 ANALOGUE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER.

Can anyone provide a pic of the digital cluster to see if they are similar?



The obvious problems with an analogue dash are
The outer ring of the speedo is in MILES PER HOUR
the inner ring is in KM/H upto 260km/h

There is only an odometer and a trip meter.
Can someone confirm if there is other warning lights? ABS? AIRBAG?
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Gary Poloskei
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 01:03 pm, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This pic answers a few questions.
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Kim Heaver
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 02:14 pm, by:  Kim Heaver (Kim32) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a US analogue dash cluster that I picked up in the States last year for A$150. If anyone would like it ring me on 0418527933. Sorry do not have the internet on,hense lack of posts. Regards Kim.
Gary Poloskei
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 02:52 pm, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"the number you have called is not available from this service"

I think you mis-typed your mobile number mate.

Anyway I would take it if we could verify it's a bolt in job. But so far noone has been able to verify this.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 04:22 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think anyone has actually managed to do it yet. Too many hassles.
Neil Griffiths
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Monday, July 07, 2008 - 07:17 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is NOT bolt in.
Cal Le
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Friday, February 06, 2009 - 07:41 am, by:  Cal Le (Sc34m3) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

any updates... this would be a nice custom mod
Brendan McGannon
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Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 09:45 pm, by:  Brendan McGannon (1jzspec) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

physically its a bolt in job. the temp and fuel will be easy,tacho yes but will require a little gadget that chages the frequency of the rpm signal. now the speedo side of things...if there is a way to get a speedo sensor that works with this dash and your trans then i dont see why it wont work,obviously nothing is ever that simple in reality but surely it cant be that hard....i just saw a ford festiva with an r33 gt-r engine and running gear in it...if thats possible im sure it cant be to hard to get a dash from basically the same car to work
Callum Finch
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Monday, February 09, 2009 - 09:40 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I doubt you could swap it over with the factory computer.
If you are prepared to strip the factory computer out and replace it with something race bread from a non-Toyota oem parts provider you could probably do a custom job.
Brett Davidson
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Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 09:12 am, by:  Brett Davidson (Malakai) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I want to get one and try it. As soon as I find a 92-96 Manual SC300 cluster I will buy it and try and make it work.

I don't like the digital cluster much at all. Looks cheap and eighties like a top loading VCR or something.
Shane Haverkamp
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Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 04:36 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

analog fuel gauge *shudder*

other warning lights include all the japanese warnings, the cat overheating light.
Luke Nieuwhof
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 04:42 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I could be done easily it would be common...but not even the gurus have had much success here.
Bobby Green
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 05:04 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can get a Defi Super Gauge Cluster, they fit most jap cars and they will display almost any reading you want provided you have the appropriate sensor wired in.

Ali Saeed
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:26 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that looks pretty damn good.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 06:43 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought the Defi clusters are made specific to the car (e.g. Evo X). I haven't seen any universal clusters (but doesn't look like it'd be too hard to physically fit).
Bobby Green
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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 11:11 am, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's universal.

Here's a vid running it in a jza80:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwpA-kB-d5M
Matthew Sharpe
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 07:09 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jesus, where was that video taken? Venus? 872C outside temperature???
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 05:17 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's exhaust temperature.
Matthew Sharpe
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 12:59 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah, that explains it
Lucas Waterworth
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 12:32 pm, by:  Lucas Waterworth (Gadget666) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

could you get one that had speed on the big dial and rpm on the little one? then have boost on a digital readout.

still, looks cool.
James Johnson
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Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 07:45 am, by:  James Johnson (Jimbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Kelly wrote on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 07:11 pm:

just out of interest does anyone know the top speed of a stock v8? (delimited obviously)




Well I have a SC400 ECU and when you hit 180kph it then changes gear into 4th.

The best I have been able to manage was 194kph as shown on my navman until I had to start slowing down but personally I would say it will max out at around 240-260kph with the stock auto.

As for the analogue dash provided you had a SC400 ECU and the speed sender unit from a SC400 gear box I would say that should fix the speed signal and the rest wouldn't be too hard to fix.
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Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 01:41 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

any errors with the sc400 ecu James?
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Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:53 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That DEFI dash is awesome!

How much coin for one of em?
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Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 08:14 pm, by:  James Johnson (Jimbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ali Saeed wrote on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 01:41 pm:

any errors with the sc400 ecu James?




Why yes there is and it translates to "Engine Electrical System".

Car still works fine, but it changes the gear ratios of the gearbox so when cruising at around 50kph in drive and you floor it, it hesitates in changing gear as if not sure which gear to select, so it drops into 2nd then a second or two later it then drops to 1st and takes off.
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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 01:42 am, by:  Emil Roytapel (Ryeno) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The important factors in getting the cluster are:

- Making sure it matches your engine. I.E. soarer tt needs a 300 cluster and soarer v8 needs a 400 cluster because the tachs are calibrated differently.

-Making sure it comes with the harness connectors.

-Possibly getting the correct fuel level sensor for the cluster
83320-80210 92-94
83320-80301 95-97
83320-80340 98-00

The wiring is the hard part but it's pretty straight forward. The Toyota TIS website has the wiring diagrams for the US spec clusters. You'll just need to find the appropriate diagrams from your JDM spec cluster.

I can't speak for soarers but I know the 98-00 SCs clusters have addition abilities like MPG or air temp displays but lack the coolant level light compared to the 92-94s so depending on what cluster you receive the display capabilities may be lower. I know for a fact no SC cluster has cat warning temp.

Good Luck, Happy Hunting.
Ali Saeed
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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 02:03 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well im pretty sure the soarer bible has wiring diagrams for the cluster. theres stuff that wont work, like the scroll function and tems. but the wiring should be pretty straight forward if you have the USDM harness.
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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 09:47 pm, by:  Emil Roytapel (Ryeno) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I had a Soarer I would definitely switch over the cluster. The r154 and 4.083 differential mechanically limit the speed to around 275 km/h. Soarer cluster is short by 95 km/h v. 15 of the SC making this a semi-TRD speedo upgrade. Plus above that point you can estimate the speed fairly easily using the analog tach.

There are a few wreckers on the lexus forums that I am sure can export a cluster with matching fuel level sensor. With these pinouts it shouldn't be too hard to swap them over. Sorry but I only have the 92-94 diagrams. The 95-96 is very similar from what I have seen and the 98-00 is very different. The Toyota TIS site has those if you need them.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/AlbuynoRyeno/218.jpg
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/AlbuynoRyeno/219.jpg
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/AlbuynoRyeno/220.jpg
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Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 05:02 am, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They don't fit on our dash from what I've read.
Emil Roytapel
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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 07:53 pm, by:  Emil Roytapel (Ryeno) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdPaFnpesGY

If a soarer cluster can fit into an sc than the inverse must be true as well.

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