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Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 3633
Reg: 10-2005
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I wonder how much back scratching the GM Holden and Ford management do to Aussie lawmakers to get •••••• laws like these passed? |
Karen Farmer
Tinkerer
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 91
Reg: 12-2007
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The car did scrape when i drove it over the barrier but not to loudly 
He said it needs to be 100mm off the ground with 4, 65 kilo people in the car.
Im just going to make it a little higher and take it to welshpool, and hope for the best!! |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 874
Reg: 07-2005
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Car scrape = instant fail.
If it doesn't scrape they usually don't care.
Those barriers are set at 90mm above the ground, so if its scrapes then its well low.
Legally your car has to be over 100mm off the ground with every seat full (75kg per passenger) PLUS 15kg luggage per person. The normally don't worry about that though. Providing it doesn't scrape they normally don't question it.
On to the rims, you have put what ever rims you want on there, as long as the offset is between +38 and +50 (I presume stock is +50?), the tyre is wider than the rim, the tyre width is between factory and 1.3x factory tyre size, and the tyre height is -10mm to +15mm of the factory tyre.
Whether they are 15" or 22", 6" wide or 10" wide it doesn't matter.
As for the ABS, not sure. I know my airbag light comes on for a few seconds but not sure about the ABS. Normally the lights come on for a few seconds at start up to show you that the globe are still working.
Tail-lights, yes, almost everything aftermarket thats imported from China/Japan will not comply with Australian Standards. The only exceptions are the very popular ones (Falcon, Commodore, Lancer, etc)
As for the Airbag, from my research June 1995 is the cut off date for not being allowed to replace a steering wheel. I don't know what your insurance company would say though.
As a side point, a lot of the time when cops sticker P-platers they will purposely leave off the thing they KNOW are wrong with the car, and write down the little things that are also illegal, but will piss the owner off more. For instance I can pretty much guarentee you the cop knew your car was too low, knew your tail lights were illegal, and suspected your rims were illegal. But he left them off the defect notice knowing full well that you wouldn't change them, and that your car would fail instantly when it got to the pits. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4090
Reg: 09-2005
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Actually the thought just hit me regarding ABS. Does your car actually have it? ABS was one of those options which didnt come on some cars.
I don't have ABS at least. |
Gary Poloskei
Tinkerer
A.C.T
Soarer TT
Posts: 79
Reg: 01-2008
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Iv got 20" wheels on my car. And I had to get them engineered to be legal.
But Iv got an aftermarket steering wheel. And so far noones noticed!! AHAHAHA the airbag is in the old steering wheel which got chucked in the bin. AHAHAHAA. |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 876
Reg: 07-2005
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You are also in a different state. |
Ben Daniel
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31 & JZA80 (when I find one!!)
Posts: 1653
Reg: 03-2006
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Most Pov packs didn't have ABS and the run of cars they did like yours Callum didn't have it either |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
Posts: 3860
Reg: 07-2005
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Andrew Ferres wrote on , , :As for the Airbag, from my research June 1995 is the cut off date for not being allowed to replace a steering wheel
Gary Poloskei wrote on , , : But Iv got an aftermarket steering wheel [on my 1992 car]. And so far noones noticed!! AHAHAHA
Andrew Ferres wrote on , , : You are also in a different state
One way of putting it |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 877
Reg: 07-2005
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Sorry, that 'other state' comment was regarding you requiring engineering for 20" rims, not the Airbag. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
Posts: 3861
Reg: 07-2005
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Oh, well, another attempted witticism crashed and burned 
I was having a gentle pot-shot at Gary, Andrew, using your information, not commenting on your posts.
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Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 878
Reg: 07-2005
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Ahh, I see what you were getting at now. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4092
Reg: 09-2005
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Ben Daniel wrote on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:19 pm:Most Pov packs didn't have ABS and the run of cars they did like yours Callum didn't have it either
Yeah my point. =x
HEH! |
Rob Rojo
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 650
Reg: 12-2007
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I can not see why the Altezza Taillights would not pass, they do not have the ADR stamp on them but the Standard soarer lights don't either. I had a quick read through the ADR rules and could not see anything that would justify defecting them either. I may have missed something as it is 111pages long.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/7396F586ED5F8F6D CA25733E00233AC8/$file/ADR1300comp2FINAL.pdf |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 879
Reg: 07-2005
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There may well be nothing wrong with them (ie they may fully comply with all the ADR requirements), but without ADR approval they are illegal, its as simple as that.
The standard Soarer lights would have passed ADR inspection when the Soarer was first passed for compliance. |
Rob Rojo
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 651
Reg: 12-2007
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How do they define what lights were actually original fitment if they do not have an ADR approval number on them. There is nothing to say that the Altezza style lights were not standard fitment. |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 880
Reg: 07-2005
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Do they have a Toyota stamp on them? |
Karen Farmer
Tinkerer
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 94
Reg: 12-2007
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I dont think they have a toyota stamp on them.
The guy just said he would fail any jap lights.
Then he went to have a look at them and said the reflectors in the corner of the lights are red.. he said they must be AMBER. But before he even saw the reflectors he said they would fail as they are aftermarket lights.
Doesnt worry me though.. I have the stock ones and as soon as i leave that place... my pretty altezzas are going straight back on |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 881
Reg: 07-2005
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Karen Farmer wrote on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 09:17 am:Doesnt worry me though.. I have the stock ones and as soon as i leave that place... my pretty altezzas are going straight back on
Thats the Australian way!! |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4093
Reg: 09-2005
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Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 07:56 pm:can not see why the Altezza Taillights would not pass, they do not have the ADR stamp on them but the Standard soarer lights don't either
Pretty sure its because they are not the lights that the car was complied under. |
Rob Rojo
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 653
Reg: 12-2007
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That is more what I was getting at. What is there to say that they are not the ones it was complied with? As mentioned they don't have the Toyota Stamp on them but a Toyota badge would not be enough proof of ADR approval. |
Rob Rojo
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 654
Reg: 12-2007
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Regarding the reflector, As far as I could make out ADR approves Red or Amber. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4097
Reg: 09-2005
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Rob Rojo wrote on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 06:48 pm:That is more what I was getting at. What is there to say that they are not the ones it was complied with?
^^ Well, the fact that no Soarer would legally be complied with non-standard lights. =P |
Rob Rojo
DieHard
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 663
Reg: 12-2007
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That's is what I am trying to get at. Technically speaking, What is to say that they are not standard? Or is the fact that they have a Toyota stamp enough proof. Obviously anything that is Australian complied and delivered has ADR numbers stamped from production. I am just trying to understand how they identify an approved light to a non approved light on a vehicle that has ben imported. |
Cameron Wylde
Tinkerer
Western Australia
TT
Posts: 73
Reg: 09-2006
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If you send me a PM i can help get the yellow off and the car doesn't have to leave your driveway.
That goes for everyone else in WA also. |
Karen Farmer
Tinkerer
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 100
Reg: 12-2007
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and how to you do that cameron??
You have friends in high places or are you just extra good with hot water and soap to get the damn thing off??? |
Karen Farmer
TryHard
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 114
Reg: 12-2007
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ok.. sorry to get this thread going
BUT..
A friend had a fiddle with the car, thinking that it would have some system/kit in the engine to raise the car? Air suspension??
Apparently some soarers have them, others dont. Mine doesnt.
So he said that either i get suspensions ( from a wreckers or borrowed) and it will take about 1.5hr per wheel to fit. Or i track down one of these system things and fit it onto the car. With this the car can get raised manually through the system?
Im not really sure what this is, the exact name of it and how it really works. Where can i track one down and what would the rough price be?
Also if i cant track one down, is it possible to get suspensions and then pay some one to make the car higher? And will they charge through the roof?
I just want some options on how to make the car higher? Whats the easist way? It needs to be raised about 3 cm i think?
Thanks |
Avin Luther
Goo Roo
vic
uzz31 Limited
Posts: 1243
Reg: 07-2005
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jack it up, put little blocks of wood between the to coils of the spring, drive very gently to get it inspected then reverse the process.
Worked for me!
The system you are talking about, thE air suspension, comes on UZZ31 V8s. it would be a huge job to instal it. and New airbag struts are ~$800 each i beleive.
Just get new springs. Springs determine teh height of the car. should cost between $200 and $40. Or a set of second hand stock springs should be about $50? |
Kyle Wathen
DieHard
Vic
GTTL
Posts: 586
Reg: 02-2007
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As above an air suspension retro-fit would cost thousands.
You have three options...
1. Try what Avin said.
2. Fit standard springs (only need about 1-2hr labour).
3. Buy adjustable coilover suspension for $1300-1800. |
Karen Farmer
TryHard
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 117
Reg: 12-2007
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haha your a laugh avin! I can imagine the guy looking under the car and one popping out and smashing him in the face!!
So looks like the best option is getting standard springs.. they can be picked up from a wreckers pretty easily? I dont want to spend huge amounts on making it higher, as i will be removing them the next day! |
Joshua Rao
DieHard
WA
JZZ30 vvti GT-L
Posts: 918
Reg: 09-2006
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You go girl! Thats what I like to hear |
Chris Prak
TryHard
WA
Soarer GTT-L
Posts: 373
Reg: 12-2006
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I told you karen, you can borrow mine. I used precise suspension in Wangara to change them over when I got yellowed. From memory, $200 all up for the swap over, but you'd have to go back twice. If you know someone that could be assed doing it, maybe cheaper, but that's the most reasonable priced I found. Just make sure I get them back otherwise your going to have missing rims one day.
The thing with getting coilovers is that they can still pick on you for them being 'too hard'. |
Karen Farmer
TryHard
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 119
Reg: 12-2007
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ok cool I think i will take you up on that offer Thanks Chris. And of course you would get them back!
$200 is a good price. $400 to get them on and off. Sounds good.
Ok i will find out a good day for them to swap them and i will get back to you soon.
Thanks so much. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4114
Reg: 09-2005
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Karen Farmer wrote on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 02:16 pm:So looks like the best option is getting standard springs.. they can be picked up from a wreckers pretty easily? I dont want to spend huge amounts on making it higher, as i will be removing them the next day!
Why do you want to remove them?
Do you want your car to be that low?
If you have springs that have been wound down (and thus are lower) and want to maintain that 'sports' element there are many proper spring solutions available which will help you maintain a legal height whilst enabling less bouncy/springy absorption rates of standard springs.
Otherwise do what Kyle suggested and get some coilovers. If you spring for a front pair only you can save a few hundred as thats where the majority of force is when you are turning corners anyway. It also allows you to keep a spring setup in the rear for when you want to go drag racing. |
Andrew Ferres
DieHard
WA
'90 C-F Celsior V8, '84 Soarer V8, '91 Supra V8
Posts: 900
Reg: 07-2005
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Be careful with coil overs in WA.
The pits don't like them as they provide adjustability below the legal limit.
Just because you have coil overs wound up to the legal height doesn't automatically mean you will pass the inspection. I think it depends more on the inspector and/or your/his mood.
Please note this is only going on hearsay as I haven't tried it myself (yet) |
Karen Farmer
TryHard
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 120
Reg: 12-2007
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I dont take the car drag racing.
I like the look of the car lowered. Im not a fan of having a high car.
The cops wouldnt of picked on the car for the height that it is now. It was the stupid neon that got the attention. My car isnt lowered to extremes. its at a perfect height, that i like the look of and still doesnt give me to much trouble over speed bumps and such.
Thats my personal preference. If others dont like lowered cars, then thats thier choice |
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
94 UZZ31 (V8) / 96 JZZ30 (TT) / 97 JZA80 (TT)
Posts: 2576
Reg: 07-2005
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There's nothing wrong with a car lowered car Callum
I just think it becomes a PITA if you have a lowered car for a daily. |
Gregg Holden
Trader
WA
Soarer UZZ31 Supercharged
Posts: 920
Reg: 08-2005
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Andrew Ferres wrote on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 10:33 am:Be careful with coil overs in WA.
The pits don't like them as they provide adjustability below the legal limit.
Just because you have coil overs wound up to the legal height doesn't automatically mean you will pass the inspection. I think it depends more on the inspector and/or your/his mood.
Please note this is only going on hearsay as I haven't tried it myself (yet)
Andrew is right. When I had my TT the adjustible HKS hipermax suspension was failed (by Wangara pits) even though it was set at legal height. reason: Not factory specifications. However I believe that the same car under the new owner passed the pits without having to swap them out when he got a yellow. So it may be the luck of the draw, but to be safe having a stock set is a good idea. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4119
Reg: 09-2005
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Vinh Bui wrote on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 12:53 pm:
Mmm i was talking more about the day to day use...
100mm is the limit isn't it? that's still pretty low to the ground... |
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