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Stuart Smith
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NEW SOUTH WALES
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Monday, July 14, 2008 - 10:16 pm, by:  Stuart Smith (Leader428) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I googled Griffin to see what the history of the emblem meant. Essentially we have the wrong beast!
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Ben Daniel
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WA
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 12:53 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been skeptical on what the soarer badge actually is as everyone says its a griffin but yeah, griffins have usually been associated with having a dragon like body with its back half looking more like a lion but having more of an eagle like head with the total front part of its body being feathered. My first thought when I saw it was that it was from the greek mythological tales of the chimaera which was meant to be a lion with the tail of a snake but the rear part of its body was scaled to blend in with its tail, but they weren't winged and couldn't fly. I seriously think its just an emblem toyota have made up and everyones just called it a griffin.
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 02:12 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This gets discussed from time to time, essentially we have a winged lion, perhaps a lion that soars.

It mistakenly gets called a gryphon/griffen/whatever simply because there isn't another name for it.
Don Bagnall
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 05:39 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Japanese interpretation of English/medievil mythology methinks..............coulda been worser, they could've badged it "Sailplane"
Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 05:56 am, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

/ I would definately have to refer to it as it Lexus SC300 rather than a Toyota Sailplane. I dont care what anyone thinks.

Wasn't the emblem put on the front to ward off evil spirits as you drive?
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:14 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Peters right, I think "winged lion" is probably a good enough description.
Aaron Holland
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:47 am, by:  Aaron Holland (Aholland) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Wasn't the emblem put on the front to ward off evil spirits as you drive?"

What's the one on the steering wheel for then? :-)
Tim Appleton
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:03 am, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Don Bagnall wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 05:39 am:

Japanese interpretation of English/medievil mythology methinks..............coulda been worser, they could've badged it "Sailplane"



That'd be almost as bad as Toyota Super Windy!


Aaron Holland wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:47 am:

"Wasn't the emblem put on the front to ward off evil spirits as you drive?"

What's the one on the steering wheel for then? :-)



It certainly doesn't ward off the evil spirits in my head that make me drive like a lunatic from time to time.
Patrick Robinson
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New Providence
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:23 am, by:  Patrick Robinson (Islandsoarer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Ok This is the soarer.

I don't know how the hell people came to the conclusion of the symbol being a gryphen
James Harris
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:42 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahaha... funny thread.

More importantly.. you must have been VERY bored to be browsing Wikipedia Stuart,

Im not going to lie to you guys... i regularly bounce from link to link on Wikipedia, not a bad site.

Feel free to update the pic if you wish.... thats the beauty of that site (and some would say the flaw)

I think i may just get one of these painted on the front my Soarer.



Tim Appleton
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:52 am, by:  Tim Appleton (Timbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Griffin?

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James Harris
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:57 am, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HAHAHAHA @ Tim



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Dave Rose
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:34 am, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

According to jap myth the Grffin made no noise and left no footprints ...well no noise is right but the footprints??
Dave Billings
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 11:59 am, by:  Dave Billings (Waveman1717) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dave Rose wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:34 am:

...well no noise is right but the footprints??


Hahaha! They still mysteriously appear every morning on my cars!!!



I think it's the Soarer fairy...

hehe!
Ben Daniel
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 12:53 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Being a winged Lion maybe the japs wanted it to be a Toyota "Roarer" but seing as they cant speak english very well it came out as "Soarer"

I dunno, im just dribbling :-)
Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 02:32 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don Bagnall
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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 04:52 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim Appleton wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 09:03 am:

That'd be almost as bad as Toyota Super Windy!



The car for flatulent lovers.........
Steven Anderson
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NSW
UZZ31 Manual

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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 11:51 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jap auto translations are great.

There are starlyons, sailplanes, silbeers, chair HKDR's and more!
Chris Prak
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 12:11 am, by:  Chris Prak (Carizma) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Adam Chytra
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Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:38 pm, by:  Adam Chytra (Soarpra) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Aaron Holland wrote on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:47 am:

What's the one on the steering wheel for then? :-)




To protect the car from the evil spirit controlling it?
Dave Billings
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Bobby Green
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TT

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Friday, July 18, 2008 - 06:17 pm, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The winged lion was the symbol of ancient Babylon (which laid in what is now Iraq). The lion represents power and courage and the wings represent rapid conquest. It a 3000+ year old symbol.
Stuart Smith
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Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 07:22 pm, by:  Stuart Smith (Leader428) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Apologies to James Harris and Glen Muller.
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Don Bagnall
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Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 08:26 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glen Muller
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Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 04:41 pm, by:  Glen Muller (Doom_and_gloom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Stuart Smith wrote on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 07:22 pm:

Apologies to James Harris and Glen Muller.




None taken!
Paul Lehmann
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:11 am, by:  Paul Lehmann (Fingers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard it's actually a Manticore:

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=manticore&gbv=2
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Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 09:47 am, by:  Dave Billings (Waveman1717) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow...very demonic.
Glen Muller
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Paul Lehmann wrote on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:11 am:

I've heard it's actually a Manticore:




That thing is pretty metal!
Aaron Holland
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Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 10:09 pm, by:  Aaron Holland (Aholland) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Manticores have the faces of men though, and they shoot spikes from their tails. (I should know, I'm a D&D geek from way back :-))
Rob Rojo
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Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 11:00 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like the Saint Mark Winged lion.


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Also looks as though he was in a very fast soarer.

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