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Christian Molenda
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 01:08 pm, by:  Christian Molenda (Christof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello,

Just thought i would have a rant about a certain member who has failed to pay for a service i provided, which has left me out of pocket.

A summary of the story..

Member contacts me asking about fixing his EMV computer as he read in a thread that i do them. He asked how to fix it himself, and reluctantly i gave out the information.

Contact member back explaining what causes it. He then tries to fix it himself and fails. He then sends it to me, and i repair it. I send it back to him for testing (and pay for the postage myself). I never hear back from him, so i email him asking how it was and was informed it was working again and he asked how much he owed. He knew the price was $150 + Post from the thread he read, but i tell him $100 would be fine INCLUDING post, as he had attempted to repair it (even though he made a dogs breakfast of it) and i felt bad charging the whole amount. Since then i have sent followup emails, but still no money deposited.

So a big thankyou to Andrew McKenzie, as you now have changed the way i will deal with members on this forum. I will Require all payments for work upfront, Including items i cannot test. Only if it is proven that they do not work, will you receive a refund MINUS the postage costs.

Sorry, but thats my rant. I hate dealing with dishonest people.
Adam Peterson
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 01:45 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

+1 for Jovica Galovic.

Failed to deliver the EEE PC i bought and paid for several weeks ago.
See thread:
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/1715/292418.html?1249272758
David Grab
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 03:04 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I seriously dont know how people can do this, im a very trusting person however i can smell out a rat most of the time. Seriously with the groupbuys that i do i could walk away with everyones money but why would you want to feel guilty and think the guy across the street potentially could be someone you screwed over. I got enough stress in my life to not need to hide in the shadows, dont know how people do it but dont really care. Ill live my life WITHOUT a gun under my pillow and thats fine by me hahah
Tim Ross
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Monday, August 03, 2009 - 11:40 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed... and I will happy throw Trent Tooveys name in the mix for filth that this site has had tarnishing the good name of its members by their very existence.
David Grab
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:45 am, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tim- is that the guy that was selling factory black seats?
Tim Ross
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 01:16 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No... the stock turbos which were both beyond belief
Duy Le
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 07:48 am, by:  Duy Le (Sor44h) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Grab wrote on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:45 am:

Tim- is that the guy that was selling factory black seats?




Im sure that was Kevin Trac. Who took photos minus the ciggy burns and sold them as fine?
Mike Bradberry
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 08:17 am, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sometimes there may be legitimate reasons for a dud sale. For example, a guy from Sydney sold me a noisy diff and totally denied it was noisy and would not refund my money.
My guess is that he had a noisy exhaust and was not aware of the problem diff. Even so, I think he should have given me my money back as diffs do not become noisy in transit.
Jol Alexander
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:34 am, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always put %100 trust in everyone unless my spidey senses start tingling. I've been trading on the net for 15 years .. maybe more.

I find forums/communities to be far more safer then ebay and the like.

That being said... Name and shame dude. If you got ripped off dude I certainly don't want to be dealing with someone who may do the same to me
Kyle Wathen
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 02:18 pm, by:  Kyle Wathen (Cspot) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe a blacklist should be created for the classifieds section? Listing names, username, alias etc

Obviously only administrators should control the list e.g. a member can submit the dodgy persons details along with reasoning to admin for consideration to be added to the list.
Peter Burrett
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 04:56 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, but fraught with danger. Someone who feels he/she's been dudded may not disclose all of the facts and may (perhaps unintentionally) end up libelling the other party. That then gets SC into play and I'm sure Pen doesn't want that. Perhaps we need an auto forum ombudsman....
Jol Alexander
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:02 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen this debate many times. Only two working solutions.

Name and shame (strictly between buyer and seller but open to view)

Postcount/Member group specific write access (IE you can only post a for sale if you have over 10000 posts)
Ryan Rankovic
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Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 08:11 am, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i dont think anyone here has over 10,000 posts Jol
Darryn Dewar
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Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 08:51 am, by:  Darryn Dewar (Mrphreak) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pen does
Callum Finch
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Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 11:58 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jol Alexander wrote on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 10:02 pm:

Postcount/Member group specific write access



You will find that there are a number of well respected members in the community with less than 100 posts because they dont spend their days idly posting on some internet forum =P
Luke Gomer
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Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 06:18 pm, by:  Luke Gomer (Luke) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had a (different) forum member who asked me how he fix his EMV many years ago. I emailed back the details as he said he was into electronics. About 4 - 5 emails were replied to in total. Heard nothing more from the guy.

6 month later trade 'repairer' sent me an EMV for repair that they could not do - written on the inside of the box was the name of the guy who I had emailed 6 month earlier.

Sorry to hear of the bother you are having Christian :-( but I have had more that one or two who having had their screen repaired whilst they wait then decide that they can renegotiate the price or not pay at all because they have just bought the car (of someone else) .
Jol Alexander
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 02:26 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Obviously the 10K post was an exageration but you get the point :-)
Rob Rojo
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 03:31 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Easy way to stop dishonest sellers is to use Paypal.
If the Item is not as described or doesn't turn up you can simply file a dispute and gain a partial or full refund.
Adam Lonergan
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 03:52 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob, that's half the reason sellers don't like it... it's too focused on buyer protection, at the expense of sellers rights and reputations. This whole thing with no negative feedback (if they deserve it) for buyers on eBay now is a joke.
Rob Rojo
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 03:58 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't mean to sell the item on Ebay, sell it on SC but use Paypal to pay for the item.
I do agree with you about the Ebay feedback policy, it is a Joke. They ask for honest feedback but how can it always be honest if you can only leave positive comments?
Adam Lonergan
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 04:43 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I still prefer bank deposit as a seller... seems too easy for Paypal to take money out of your account for any reason they see fit (refund based on their own 'investigation', etc). At least my bank is legally representing me in the transaction, has to obey a few more laws and regulations, and finally you've got the banking industry ombudsman.
Rob Rojo
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 04:47 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fair enough, I have been buying and selling on Ebay using Paypal for about 4 years and out of about 300 transactions have had 0 problems that were not resolved fairly.
Adam Lonergan
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 04:51 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've had about 150 transactions and experienced my first 'problem' recently when I sold something. Not something I enjoyed and was amazed how poorly it was handled by eBay. Certainly put me off listing more items on there.
Tim Ross
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 04:56 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally... as much as it sucks getting stung... Its the risk you take buying anything online... no matter where.

As a buyer, you just have to do everything you can to try protect yourself.

I dont think changing SC for the sake of a few bad apples is really the way of going about things.

Perhaps have a name and shame list pinned at the top of the for sale section (to be updated by admin only.. and only at their discretion)

Other than that, I dont think it should be changed for the sake of a very small minority. MOst people here are brilliant to deal with
Hakan Pasha
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 05:06 pm, by:  Hakan Pasha (Hakanpasha) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/107278/261560.html?1244863507 ...enough said.
David Grab
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 08:12 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Forget the certain amount of posts or paypal. There really have been only two things that i have seen to work to protect buyers. Firstly nissansilvia use to have a reputation metre (i think the supra forums have it has well) where after each successful transaction you could give a +1 point or -1. It works in theory but friend bumped up other friends points and wasnt a true reflection. The other thing that is use is to go back to the same people you have dealt with. Reputation is everything, someone that is an ace first time you buy something generally wont change into a dishonest prick. So i reuse the same people, and seconldy if it sounds too good to be true then walk away. Unless you happy to risk the money and have the potential of losing it then a $200 iphone is something you pass on.

Its funny with my current floor mat groupbuy where someone people havent dealt with me with one guy asking is payapl was an option. Over the last two years ive handled thousands of dollars from members and i think i have a pretty good reputation on this site that i wont go missing. Also the mark of a good seller is the after pruchase care. If there is a problem and they dont want to hear about it dont use them again. There is a few people on this site that ive never met in person yet i wouldnt have a problem sending them a lump of cash. You can tell that thy are heavily involved in the site and are here for the long term like me. Just be cautious with new people, those that seem like they dont want to answer questions or say they just dont have the time etc
Rob Rojo
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 08:29 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Reputation is important but a lot of the members here don't sell things on a regular basis.

The main problems seem to be either the item not turning up or not as described.

Paypal solves both issues and from my experience sellers become a lot more honest when they know they could be up for a refund.
David Vaughan
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 08:54 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A verifiable name and address is rather useful. In that case you at least have something the law wants to know for them to act.

I can understand sellers not liking Paypal. I recall a well reputed former member of this site, who had a sideline business on eBay, having enormous problems with eBay and Paypal after a competing seller lodged a fabricated complaint to get him off the air for a while. The burden of proof seems unduly weighted to the buyer by all reports but, like Rob who has in any case more experience of it, I have had no transaction problems with Paypal. I don't like them for other reasons :-)
Jol Alexander
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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 08:43 am, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My absolute prefered method of payment is
Inspection of goods, then DD or Cash.

As a seller Paypal is just an absolute pain in the arse.
Adam Peterson
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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 05:26 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At least with paypal you are protected against dodgy sellers !
David Grab
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 03:03 am, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah but Adam you can get dodgey buyers that claim that the product never arrived or was damages etc and then they just strip the money out of the sllers account pretty much without asking a question.
David Tra
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 08:33 am, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ive never used paypal before but David has a point there
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:12 am, by:  Gary Redman (Gary) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to stick up for Paypal. I have just had an unfortunate experience with eBay where I purchased an iPhone for my wife for $650. For some reason I didn't check the sellers feedback and just went aheasd with the sale and paid by Paypal, despite the seller offering a discount if I paid by direct deposit. After completing the sale I checked the sellers feedback and found she was listed as a FRAUD and had just done a similar thing and not supplied the item. Alarm bells went off in my head so I contacted Paypal using the live help system and explained the situation and that it would be crazy to wait for the recommended 2 or 3 weeks before eBay could start a dispute, stating that this needed to be addressed now. Paypal agreed and contacted the seller who replied that bthey weeren't a fraud and would proceed with the sale, but didn't. also didn't reply to any emails either. I contacted Paypal this morning and escalated the situation to a full claim, and received an email back 10 minutes later saying I had been fully reimbursed by Paypal (including delivery). Can't get much better than that. If I had paid by any other method I would have been out of pocket the whole cost. Only use Paypal is my recommendation
Callum Finch
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:16 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Hakan Pasha wrote on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 05:06 pm:

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/107278/261560.html?1244863507 ...enough said.



If people are going to form any opinions off this thread then make sure you read it all the way through.

Hakan, its bad karma to slag off someone if the full story is not presented.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:24 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pro or anti Paypal seems solely a function of whether you are a buyer or seller. Dodgy buyers prefer Paypal. Good sellers don't.

I dislike Paypal regardless of buying or selling. I do not see why anyone would allow a 3rd party the right to strip money from their account on the say-so of a fraudster. Dealing with banks is bad enough without giving a private party effective access to your bank account.
Rob Rojo
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:57 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:24 pm:

Pro or anti Paypal seems solely a function of whether you are a buyer or seller. Dodgy buyers prefer Paypal. Good sellers don't.




I think that's a pretty ridiculous statement considering that over 48% of ebay transactions are paid with paypal.

I have never had any money stripped from my account.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 03:59 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:57 pm:

I think that's a pretty ridiculous statement considering that over 48% of ebay transactions are paid with paypal


I would appreciate the assistance of anyone who can fathom the relevance of the above statement. Thanks.


Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:57 pm:

I have never had any money stripped from my account.


Well, uh. wacky do. I have never been mugged but I understand that it happens to other people, and I don't think they like it.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 04:05 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I didn't care either way about Paypal until a few days ago. I bought something using Paypal and it said "bank account with insufficient funds, using credit card instead" - which suited me just fine. Except it then deducted from the bank and I copped a $38 over drawn fee.

Pissed me off about the bank too, as the only reason there were insufficient funds, was because of the archaic old 3 day cheque clearing rort that the banks still engage in. Government cheque too, though maybe with the rate the Govt debt is climbing the banks might have reason to be feeling edgy!
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 04:57 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interesting, Peter. I thought that banks would cash or credit government cheques on the spot, although it is a very long time since I have done anything which might test it.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:14 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 03:59 pm:



Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:57 pm:
I think that's a pretty ridiculous statement considering that over 48% of ebay transactions are paid with paypal



I would appreciate the assistance of anyone who can fathom the relevance of the above statement. Thanks.

Many good sellers do prefer Paypal and many will only accept paypal and some base their entire business around it.
The percentage of international sales on Ebay since the introduction of paypal has risen in leaps and bounds year after year as using paypal makes it a lot more secure and less time consuming.



Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:57 pm:
I have never had any money stripped from my account.



Well, uh. wacky do. I have never been mugged but I understand that it happens to other people, and I don't think they like it.




I was speaking from my own experience and from the sounds of it, I may be wrong but it seems your basing your comments on other peoples experience.
Of course there are dodgy buyers and sellers regardless of the payment system being used. Paypal monitors the complaints and if one buyer makes multiple complaints about items not being correct and requesting compensation it is then investigated by Paypal.

Anyway this has gone way off topic, I was simply suggesting using paypal as a way to buy and sell on Soarer Central to add a bit of security if its not your preferred method well .. Uh ,Whacky DO
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:28 pm, by:  David Grab (Blastedbyasoarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Gary Redman wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:12 am:

I have to stick up for Paypal. I have just had an unfortunate experience with eBay where I purchased an iPhone for my wife for $650. For some reason I didn't check the sellers feedback and just went aheasd with the sale and paid by Paypal, despite the seller offering a discount if I paid by direct deposit. After completing the sale I checked the sellers feedback and found she was listed as a FRAUD and had just done a similar thing and not supplied the item. Alarm bells went off in my head so I contacted Paypal using the live help system and explained the situation and that it would be crazy to wait for the recommended 2 or 3 weeks before eBay could start a dispute, stating that this needed to be addressed now. Paypal agreed and contacted the seller who replied that bthey weeren't a fraud and would proceed with the sale, but didn't. also didn't reply to any emails either. I contacted Paypal this morning and escalated the situation to a full claim, and received an email back 10 minutes later saying I had been fully reimbursed by Paypal (including delivery). Can't get much better than that. If I had paid by any other method I would have been out of pocket the whole cost. Only use Paypal is my recommendation




Well as good as that sounds i had the worst experience with getting money back through paypal. I bought something and waited for a month but didnt receive it. Multiple emails to the seller to no avail. Launched a dispute with ebay which they said would take a month and they would get back to me. The last day of when paypal said they would contact me they didnt. I went ape sayind how hard of a case is this, i pay but not nothing so i want my money back. They said there was an investigation haha and yeah another 3 weeks went buy and eventually i got my money back.

The amount of bullshit that i had to go to inorder to launch a claim, escilate it and all that was stupid. I wasted so much time to resolve the problem and i hope i never have to do a claim again. The way they advertise it is that if the seller has atleast one postiive comment they will cover you up to $20K, but yeah instead of paying me out and then chasing their money back it was 2.5 month of bullshit.

Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 04:05 pm:

I didn't care either way about Paypal until a few days ago. I bought something using Paypal and it said "bank account with insufficient funds, using credit card instead" - which suited me just fine. Except it then deducted from the bank and I copped a $38 over drawn fee.

Pissed me off about the bank too, as the only reason there were insufficient funds, was because of the archaic old 3 day cheque clearing rort that the banks still engage in. Government cheque too, though maybe with the rate the Govt debt is climbing the banks might have reason to be feeling edgy!




Yeah i got stung with that bullshit aswell. Previously like a year ago i only had my credit card as a payment option, then they made everyone have a back up bank account aswell as a credit card. Now the stupid thing lists my personal preference as my bank account which is bullshit. Anyway i was buying something and selected credit, went thorugh the whole process and it came out with a receipt with my bank account rather than credit account. So i ring paypal trying to get this sorted immediately after it happened. Was on hold for ages and once actually got some Indian lady to talk to me she hang up So not only was it not my screw up but i go out of my way to rectify it and i get hung up on. Rang again pissed off and they said i selected bank account which is bullshit. Long story short i got a the money taken out of my account but i topped it up so as to not get the overdraw, ended up getting the overdraw for $38 and bacause the overdraw put me in the red again i got another $38 overdraw. All this for a $25 item

How about a system where new people have to have a paypal account until they are established to be genuine and not scumbags? Then we allow them to sell stuff via bank accounts? I'd be happy to help moderate the parts section if it came to that.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:40 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its not a perfect system by any means, but you did get your money back, if you paid by any other method would you have got anything back at all? or would have been more effort then its worth to do so?

Paypal did change the primary funding source to bank accounts and although the option was there to select credit card it did catch a lot of people out and then the bank had fun by throwing in the overdraw fee.
To avoid it from happening you can actually call your bank and request that the account not be overdrawn.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:53 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am not trying to keep disagreeing with you Rob but saying

Rob Rojo wrote on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:40 pm:

if you paid by any other method would you have got anything back at all? or would have been more effort then its worth to do so? [sic]


is nonsense. I have successfully fixed false transactions on credit card, Bpay and even had an erroneous bank deposit corrected against me without any pain for the person who did it. Paypal happens to have a particular bias which best suits those whose needs match the bias. In other respects, in my experience, they are a pain to deal with. I simply will not give Paypal any rights to my bank account when they are known to act arbitrarily and improperly and when my credit card(s) and record are rock solid.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 07:13 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do apologise for the incorrect phrasing in my previous post.

But you did notice the question mark in there didn't you?

It was a question to David G. asking if he would have been able to get his money back if paid using other methods and if so would the process have been worth the effort for the amount in question.
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Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 01:15 pm, by:  Gary Redman (Gary) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was able to escalate the procedure of my claim by bypassing ebay and going straight to Paypal. The guy on the live help was very good and the correspondance I received from Paypal was prompt. I make no contact with eBay at all, but Paypal went ahead and made all the arrangements with ebay and removed the item from sale and suspended the seller, all in a couple of days. I could not fault the system and I didn't lose a cent. Even with previous claims I have had with ebay, I have always lost the freight charge, but not this time with paypal I got the lot back. Just my 2 cents worth. Works for me

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